tournament Andy B river play

Michael Emery · #1 12-13-2005, 10:50 PM

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My thoughts on the river were to save the bet when I'm probably beat and have 4 BB's to fight with or call and probably lose and be lift with 3 BB's, I still like the fold even though it ened up being wrong here.

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So now instead of having 12BB's you have 4 because you were a cheapskate? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] THis illustrates why you call on the river in stud. Your play on all streets was fine except for throwing that last bet in there. FWIW I was going to post that you had to call the river even before I read the results. You gave a good player too much credit for simply betting out on a scare card twice (which good players often do sometimes). If this wasnt Andy B., but instead some random player who entered this and had 3 posts on 2+2, do you still fold? Good players are thiefs, man. You should you be just as, if not more, liable to call them (as opposed to an unknown opponent) here for that reason. You also have to pay off in these situations for metagame purposes. I know thats probably not the case here, unless you and Andy play a lot, but I just wanted to point it out.

Mike Emery

preiserone · #2 12-13-2005, 11:02 PM

I thought that with 3 bets I had no chance to win the tournament, with 4 bets I had a little room.

I just got it in my head that he had to have 2 pair here, everytime he had made this sort of play he had a hand, he was playing pretty straight forward up to that point in heads up play. I realize that that is a great spot for him to bluff. I just couldn't take the chance.

Edit: your probably right though

BTirish · #3 12-13-2005, 11:16 PM

I don't know about that. 3 or 4 bets is just one played hand either way, most likely, unless you intend to fold on 6th or 7th for a partial bet.

I don't know if I could make this crying call. I would've raised 4th, though. These bets are way too big for proper heads up play, so I'd just get more of it in there with what is probably the better hand. I'd be a results-oriented donk to say anything like "easy call" though.

preiserone · #4 12-13-2005, 11:19 PM

Well saving that bet helped me out on my way to the win, I don't think I could have made a couple of my plays right after this without it. I'll post a couple...

Michael Emery · #5 12-13-2005, 11:39 PM

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I just got it in my head that he had to have 2 pair here

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I don't know if I could make this crying call.

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Mental notes for if I ever play in one of these:

Bully around preiserone, bully BTrish. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

preiserone · #6 12-13-2005, 11:42 PM

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Mental notes for if I ever play in one of these:

Bully around preiserone, bully BTrish.

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I've gotta be a pretty low stack to not call this river, I'm not that big of a push over. I'm sure you could find a few spots to kick me around though.

BTirish · #7 12-13-2005, 11:42 PM

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I just got it in my head that he had to have 2 pair here

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I don't know if I could make this crying call.

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Mental notes for if I ever play in one of these:

Bully around preiserone, bully BTrish. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Mental note: Emery would try to bully me. To be honest, I'd probably pay this one off myself--I'm hesitant to say "make this call" because I knew the result before I thought about the hand.

jon_1van · #8 12-14-2005, 12:07 AM

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with 3 bets I had no chance to win the tournament, with 4 bets I had a little room

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Puke.

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4-8-16-32

You still have to win 3 hands (while getting AI) to win. There is pratically no difference btw 3 and 4 BB

I won the stud8 tourney after being down to 2.5 BB. Really, as long as you are alive, when you double up every hand, you can comeback SUPER quick.