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Old 12-13-2005, 02:28 AM
betgo betgo is offline
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Default Re: SB pushes for 19xBB and you have QJs

I was SB on this play and pushed with A8o. BB called instantly with QJs and busted me out.

I was a little shocked by the play, and figured he was a calling station or something. However, I ran the hands on two dimes and he was getting 47% same as hispot odds. I think it was a bad call, but closer than it seems. It is almost impossible for QJs to be significantly ahead. I thought it would be interesting to discuss.

I like to overbet push from the SB, but not usually this much. I did it this time because I thought A8o was a good hand for it and my opponent had 3 times my stack.
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Old 12-13-2005, 04:26 AM
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Default Re: SB pushes for 19xBB and you have QJs

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I was SB on this play and pushed with A8o. BB called instantly with QJs and busted me out.

I was a little shocked by the play, and figured he was a calling station or something. However, I ran the hands on two dimes and he was getting 47% same as hispot odds. I think it was a bad call, but closer than it seems. It is almost impossible for QJs to be significantly ahead. I thought it would be interesting to discuss.

I like to overbet push from the SB, but not usually this much. I did it this time because I thought A8o was a good hand for it and my opponent had 3 times my stack.

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are you raising less than your stack with premium hands?
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Old 12-13-2005, 09:46 AM
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Default Re: SB pushes for 19xBB and you have QJs

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I was SB on this play and pushed with A8o. BB called instantly with QJs and busted me out.

I was a little shocked by the play, and figured he was a calling station or something. However, I ran the hands on two dimes and he was getting 47% same as hispot odds. I think it was a bad call, but closer than it seems. It is almost impossible for QJs to be significantly ahead. I thought it would be interesting to discuss.

I like to overbet push from the SB, but not usually this much. I did it this time because I thought A8o was a good hand for it and my opponent had 3 times my stack.

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are you raising less than your stack with premium hands?

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I definately would only push with something like A8o, KQ, or a small pp. I wouldn't have pushed a much weaker unsuited ace. If I knew the villain would call with QJs annd similar hands, I would definately push with AK, TT etc.

The push is slightly EV+, whether villain is tight or loose. I don't know if it was a good play. I had a difficult hand to play OOP short stacked. I thought villain might make a mistake with the big bet in calling or folding when he shouldn't. He did, but notone that particularly benefited me.

In this case, if I had standard raised, I would have flopped TPTK and my opponent a flush draw and over cards, so all the money would have gone in on the flop or preflop anyway.
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Old 12-13-2005, 12:15 PM
Temp Hutter Temp Hutter is offline
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Default Re: SB pushes for 19xBB and you have QJs

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I was SB on this play and pushed with A8o. BB called instantly with QJs and busted me out.

I was a little shocked by the play, and figured he was a calling station or something. However, I ran the hands on two dimes and he was getting 47% same as hispot odds. I think it was a bad call, but closer than it seems. It is almost impossible for QJs to be significantly ahead. I thought it would be interesting to discuss.

I like to overbet push from the SB, but not usually this much. I did it this time because I thought A8o was a good hand for it and my opponent had 3 times my stack.

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I don't understand why you risked 11K to win 600. You say you like to overbet push from the SB. Has this been a profitable move for you? Would raising a standard amount be a more profitable play in the long run? For all the times you pick up the BB, how many times have you been caught stealing and lost? It is hard to imagine that this has been profitable with blinds this small and stacks that deep.
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