Iran

[theweatherman]

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First off they seek to destroy the government, not outright genocide. This makes them no different than the US giving Saddam a 24 hour ultimatum.

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If there threats are the same as the ultimatum we gave Saddam then Israel definitely has the right to blow up anything nuclear in Iran. Just as if I tell you I'm going to punch you in the face and start winding up, you don't have to wait till I hit you to fight back.

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As I have already mentioned the Us has sponsored terrorism in numerous theaters and so Iran is once again no different.

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This does not help back up your claim that Iran is not rational making such threats.

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If everything that you say makes iran an irrational actor has been done by the Us why are we allowed to have nuclear weapons and they are not?. That is the point I've been trying to get you to answer.

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If everything that you say makes iran an irrational actor has been done by the Us why are we allowed to have nuclear weapons and they are not?. That is the point I've been trying to get you to answer.

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I am going to respond to you one more time and then not since you have correctly been identified as trolling IMO.

It doesn't matter what happened in the 50s during the cold war. What matters is now. And now Iran is an irrational actor, and if you insist on an *if* here again regarding Iran, then you clearly are trolling or just being a propagandist. An irrational actor which Iran has made themselves does not deserve to, nor should they be allowed to, possess nuclear weapons.

[theweatherman]

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If everything that you say makes iran an irrational actor has been done by the Us why are we allowed to have nuclear weapons and they are not?. That is the point I've been trying to get you to answer.

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I am going to respond to you one more time and then not since you have correctly been identified as trolling IMO.

It doesn't matter what happened in the 50s during the cold war. What matters is now. And now Iran is an irrational actor, and if you insist on an *if* here again regarding Iran, then you clearly are trolling or just being a propagandist. An irrational actor which Iran has made themselves does not deserve to, nor should they be allowed to, possess nuclear weapons.

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You are so thick headed. This is not trolling.

You cannot define anything that makes Ian any more "irrational" than the US or anyother western power. When you do then you may have a point.

As an example, North Korea is a much different matter. There is a clear case for the irrationality of the North Korean government. THE SAME CANNOT BE SAID FOR IRAN.

Since Iran is not a clearly irrational actor then they have every right to pursue a nuclear power system and a nuclear arsenal.

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There is a clear case for the irrationality of the North Korean government. THE SAME CANNOT BE SAID FOR IRAN.

Since Iran is not a clearly irrational actor then they have every right to pursue a nuclear power system and a nuclear arsenal.

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These are the last words I am wasting on you.

Maybe you aren't trolling and just are incapable of logical thought processes evidenced by the following:

1. Iran threatens to "wipe Israel off the map" and also supports terrorism against them.

2. Yet they aren't an irrational actor.

GET A GRIP!

[theweatherman]

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There is a clear case for the irrationality of the North Korean government. THE SAME CANNOT BE SAID FOR IRAN.

Since Iran is not a clearly irrational actor then they have every right to pursue a nuclear power system and a nuclear arsenal.

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These are the last words I am wasting on you.

Maybe you aren't trolling and just are incapable of logical thought processes evidenced by the following:

1. Iran threatens to "wipe Israel off the map" and also supports terrorism against them.

2. Yet they aren't an irrational actor.

GET A GRIP!

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It has been shown that supporting terrorism DOES NOT MAKE A NATION IRRATIONAL. Unless you are willin g to admit that the US is an irrational actor.

Calling for the destruction of a nation and following through are two different things. China still claims taiwan as there own and makes threats but as of yet does nothing about it. They are on the UN Security concil. Obviously regarded as rational.

theweatherman,

I am having trouble following your line in comparing the US to Iran in the following SATish sense:

1) Sending/Funding/Organizing suicide bombers to kill as many innocent people as possible is to Iranian terrorism - as - ________________ to kill as many innocent people as possible is to American terrorism.

Also, in what way would you compare the 38 or 39 country coalition's initiative to remove Saddam Hussein's unpleasant and threatening dictatorship and install a democratically elected coalition government - to - Iran's intiative to "wipe Israel off the map"?

[theweatherman]

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theweatherman,

I am having trouble following your line in comparing the US to Iran in the following SATish sense:

1) Sending/Funding/Organizing suicide bombers to kill as many innocent people as possible is to Iranian terrorism - as - ________________ to kill as many innocent people as possible is to American terrorism.

Also, in what way would you compare the 38 or 39 country coalition's initiative to remove Saddam Hussein's unpleasant and threatening dictatorship and install a democratically elected coalition government - to - Iran's intiative to "wipe Israel off the map"?

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You are correct in stating the similarities are not absolute. The Us has sponsored anti-state terrorism. In some cases they did not control the results of this sponsorship. If the terrorists blew themselves up it would of been out of the US's hands. Becasue of this I make little difference in blindly supporting/ creating a terrorist faction, and actively supporting a suicide bombing terrorist faction.

First off Saddam's government was democratically elected. The legitimacy of the voter's intent is the only questionable part. But this is tangental.

I have not seen any remarks of how the state of Israel is to be wipedoff the map. There were allusions made to expelling the Jews, I have not heard or read anything that makes this claim. I would certainly want to read it if someone can show me. This said I see little difference between destroying Iraq's government and replacing it with a completely different one and destroying the Israeli governement and replacing it with a different one.

Don't forget that Iran would have a coalition of several Arab nations in this endevor, so coalitions are inaccurate methods of compare.

As a side note Iraq's "democratically elected government" is looking more like a theocracy all the time. If the US helps set up a government whos laws are second to those of Islam, why would Iran's probablly similar mission in the Israeli terroitories be seen any differently?

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If everything that you say makes iran an irrational actor has been done by the Us why are we allowed to have nuclear weapons and they are not?.

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We haven't called for a country to be wiped off the map. And it has more to do with just the government. Iran's prez wants the Jews out of the middle east. This is the difference between the ultimatum given to Saddam and Iran's statements. We weren't also calling for the Iraqi people to leave Iraq.

Besides, we already have them. Who's going to take them away?