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JJ early hand at 11\'s: bad push/call?
Help on all streets appreciated...don't have converter on this computer, sorry. Where did I go wrong with this one? Figured my overpair would have been good against any hands that would have called, or even reraised. Worst case scenario, I thought I was looking at a set.
***** Hand History for Game 3165226480 ***** NL Texas Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:18096465 Level:1 Blinds(10/15) - Thursday, December 08, 11:17:20 EDT 2005 Table Table 67257 (Real Money) Seat 2 is the button Total number of players : 10 Seat 2: Papa8Georgio ( $790 ) Seat 10: dave1mo ( $785 ) Seat 1: jackflash63 ( $775 ) Seat 9: Scrap53 ( $1195 ) Seat 3: jjmmercury ( $785 ) Seat 7: EnsignSims ( $815 ) Seat 8: formaltheory ( $525 ) Seat 6: cpallo01 ( $820 ) Seat 4: Raifman ( $800 ) Seat 5: whitney88 ( $710 ) Trny:18096465 Level:1 Blinds(10/15) ** Dealing down cards ** Dealt to dave1mo [ Jd Js ] whitney88 folds. cpallo01 folds. EnsignSims folds. formaltheory folds. Scrap53 folds. dave1mo raises [45]. jackflash63 calls [45]. Papa8Georgio folds. jjmmercury folds. Raifman calls [30]. ** Dealing Flop ** [ 3c, Td, 9h ] Raifman checks. dave1mo bets [125]. jackflash63 calls [125]. Raifman raises [500]. dave1mo is all-In [615] jackflash63 is all-In [605] Raifman calls [240]. ** Dealing Turn ** [ 4h ] ** Dealing River ** [ 2s ] |
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Re: JJ early hand at 11\'s: bad push/call?
My biggest concern here is the fact taht jackflash63 smooth called right behind and then you have the raise by Raifman behind that.
I think QQ+ is a lot harder decision than JJ. Then again, maybe all my NL cash game play has made me weak/tight. |
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Re: JJ early hand at 11\'s: bad push/call?
For some reason I figured the call behind me was a donk trying to draw to a straight behind me. Then again, it's too early for assumptions like that. It was probably a bad move, but I have a hard time laying down an overpair to a relatively uncoordinated flop like that.
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Re: JJ early hand at 11\'s: bad push/call?
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For some reason I figured the call behind me was a donk trying to draw to a straight behind me. Then again, it's too early for assumptions like that. It was probably a bad move, but I have a hard time laying down an overpair to a relatively uncoordinated flop like that. [/ QUOTE ] I always think that after the time someone has two pair, but I've stacked so many more people with an overpair here vs times I run into two pair. I call this. |
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Re: JJ early hand at 11\'s: bad push/call?
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My biggest concern here is the fact taht jackflash63 smooth called right behind and then you have the raise by Raifman behind that. I think QQ+ is a lot harder decision than JJ. Then again, maybe all my NL cash game play has made me weak/tight. [/ QUOTE ] but, but, the only hand that's beating JJ that isn't beating QQ is QQ. i don't think that adding that one hand to the mix is making that much of a difference. unless QJ is behind QQ but ahead of JJ? |
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Re: JJ early hand at 11\'s: bad push/call?
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[ QUOTE ] My biggest concern here is the fact taht jackflash63 smooth called right behind and then you have the raise by Raifman behind that. I think QQ+ is a lot harder decision than JJ. Then again, maybe all my NL cash game play has made me weak/tight. [/ QUOTE ] but, but, the only hand that's beating JJ that isn't beating QQ is QQ. i don't think that adding that one hand to the mix is making that much of a difference. unless QJ is behind QQ but ahead of JJ? [/ QUOTE ] That was part of my thought process. I think often you will see a moron donk not able to lay down his OESD + overcards here. QQ steals 3 outs from him and judging from the action so far I would think I would be seeing a 3-way all in. |
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Re: JJ early hand at 11\'s: bad push/call?
Preflop: I raise more, the minimum I will raise lvl 1 is 60, but usually I pop it up to around 75. Too many people just play there own cards and see 45 chips as a small amount compared to their stacks.
Postflop: I like your bet, but with the smooth call and re-raise I think I'm probably out. I'd be sick if the smooth caller folded, but them's the breaks. You'll still have over t600 if you fold and you can work with that. |
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Re: JJ early hand at 11\'s: bad push/call?
I think you have to fold JJ here. It's just to early to fall in love with an overpair. You could easily be looking at 2 pair or a set. Still plenty of time left in this tourney to fight another day.
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Re: JJ early hand at 11\'s: bad push/call?
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Preflop: I raise more, the minimum I will raise lvl 1 is 60, but usually I pop it up to around 75. Too many people just play there own cards and see 45 chips as a small amount compared to their stacks. Postflop: I like your bet, but with the smooth call and re-raise I think I'm probably out. I'd be sick if the smooth caller folded, but them's the breaks. You'll still have over t600 if you fold and you can work with that. [/ QUOTE ] Yup, you need to raise more preflop if you decide you want to raise. But probably the best idea here is to see a cheap flop and then fire off a pot sized bet at the all under card board. |
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Re: JJ early hand at 11\'s: bad push/call?
In an earlier position, I'll see a cheap flop with JJ. But with no limpers and me in relatively late position, I figured I'd raise to (hopefully) push anyone out figuring to limp with some marginal hands. Apparently I didn't raise enough. Thanks guys.
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