Navy Seals vs Army Rangers vs other special forces vs UFC

[KDawgCometh]

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Kdawg,

Royce is a good point by you. But to say that he is representative of the average UFC fighter is more than generous, he is like the Michael Jordan of UFC, no one else has ever come close.

On a sidenote, has anyone else seen the video of him fighting a Kung Fu master where his brother is narrating? Pretty awesome stuff.

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Well, I knew that Royce was an exception when I named him, but I think that most top MMA fighters that are pretty well versed in the ground arts would also be compareable. Someone like Fedor has such nasty short distance strength in his punches that I have no doubt that he would kill someone with them. There are other fighters like Francisco Bueno that are also deadly with their fighting skills. I wouldn't say that someone like Shannon Ritch would be able to fight to the death against a SEAL successfully, but a top MMA fighter will normally take a spec op in a hand to hand match

[ScottyP431]

Brom,

We seem to be arguing in circles here, let me try and clarify. I have 2 basic points

1. I think UFC rules structurally advantage a certain style of fighting, i.e. the arm bar style UFC pit/groundfighting discussed here, that would be much less effective with no rules. They work primarily becuase the quickest, most lethal attacks (eyes, groin, throat, back of the head by the RAC) are prohibited, allowing them to set up the move. Even though they can set it up in a manner of seconds, I don't think they could do it fast enough vs. unrestrained retaliation.

2. I think you all are (A.) Underestimating the amount of unarmed combat training seals recieve, (B.) Overestimating the amount required to be effective. UFC fighters train for a particular style of fighting, seals train for another. As an analogy (admittedly an imperfect one), you take the most badass K1 kickboxer in history and put them in a UFC match where now holds/grapling is involved, and they dont fair well. Put someone who has been training in submission moves against someone trained to kill in a death match and I think you'd see something similar.

[BCPVP]

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As an analogy (admittedly an imperfect one), you take the most badass K1 kickboxer in history and put them in a UFC match where now holds/grapling is involved, and they dont fair well.

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The imperfection is that UFC guys train to fight unarmed ALL THE TIME, while random special forces guy trains to fight unarmed not even close to as frequently. I'd like to know what you're basing your opinion on. Do you know special forces guys or how often they train in unarmed combat? You seem to believe that if you take away the rules in the UFC the techniques don't work. You got it wrong. They work so well, you need rules to keep people from killing/maiming someone.

For example, if I put you in a rear naked choke and don't let go, you will pass out and after a few minutes you will die.

[slickpoppa]

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For example, if I put you in a rear naked choke and don't let go, you will pass out and after a few minutes you will die.

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Thats exactly why UFC guys would win.