Am I the only one not multitabling?

[mittman84]

also when trying to multi table you might be trying to hard to pay attention to every detail about how every one play(like you would if you are only playing one table) When playing 4 or more tables that is very hard to do, and that is what pokertracker, pokerace hud/gametime + do automaticaly for you. If you are trying to give as much attention to each table as you do to a single table when yuo are only playing one, than yes, it would be extreamly hard to multi table. If you are multi tabling you will still pick up on betting patterns and such on people, maybe just not as fast as if single tabling, but as I said pokertracker with pokerace hud help out with your reads while multi tabling

[MyMindIsGoing]

The problem is that I might try to play too good on both tables you mean?

[mittman84]

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The problem is that I might try to play too good on both tables you mean?

[/ QUOTE ] I wouldnt think of it that way. A lot of people are able to play just as good playing 4 tables as one, its just that you will not be able to study the table and get as good of a feel for everyone there, thus pokerace hud helps a lot.

[POKhER]

single tabling is good whilst you develop your game (I.e. if you've just move to 6max or moved up to higher stakes).

Soon as you feel comfy multitable.

Reads are another factor - Most guys who multitable has crap reads unless experienced.

Once your comfy note taking, own a PT/PA type program and are comfy preflop and postflop multitable.

If your never comfy, then dont.

[MicroBob]

also for growing into multi-tabling...
try playing 1 table of your regular stakes and you focus on that table.

then add a 2nd table of .5/1 or smaller where you just make automated, straight-forward plays. Obviously this will mostly involve folding pre-flop...and you can go back to your original instincts of concentrating on reads and the play of the hand at your primary table.

This may help ease the transition of multi-tabling for some.


I'll do something like this occasionally if I feel like I need to give more concetration to reads.
Instead od 5-6 tables of 5/10 I might just play 2 tables of 5/10 and 2 tables of 3/6.

I'm barely paying any attention at all to the 3/6 (because straight-forward play will still get you the money there) while I'm devoting as much attention as possible to my 2 higher-limit tables.


I also believe that this is a helpful way for players like me...I don't necessarily have a problem multi-tabling...but I do have a tough-time getting all the reads and following as much of the action as I think I should.
This gets one in the habit of really focusing on a table (or two) while also maintaining the same multi-tabling 'skills' (as it were).

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Reads are another factor - Most guys who multitable has crap reads unless experienced.



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I've always thought this was a wierd thing to think. When i first started playing i would time my actions thinking my opponents would get certain ideas from them. But people multitable, watch tv, surf, jack off, read, eat, and bla bla bla, while they are playing online. The timing of actions(the only real read you can get) are of little use to online play.

Getting a feel for you opponents, and knowing their tendencies is valuable, and is not the same as reading an opponent. This is something you might do better playing less tables, but it is quickly remedied with a hud.

[PokerAce]

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Reads are another factor - Most guys who multitable has crap reads unless experienced.



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I've always thought this was a wierd thing to think. When i first started playing i would time my actions thinking my opponents would get certain ideas from them. But people multitable, watch tv, surf, jack off, read, eat, and bla bla bla, while they are playing online. The timing of actions(the only real read you can get) are of little use to online play.

Getting a feel for you opponents, and knowing their tendencies is valuable, and is not the same as reading an opponent. This is something you might do better playing less tables, but it is quickly remedied with a hud.

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I think you may be confusing "reads" with "tells".

Trying to determine if a player has a monster by how long he takes to act is trying to get a tell, just like in a live game you would study the player to see if you notice anything.

A read is really a pattern in the player's game. For instance, a player might always bet the river when checked to, every time.

Tells are pretty much useless in online games. Reads, on the other hand, are very useful and most multitablers miss a ton of them. Even a HUD doesn't tell you everything.

[POKhER]

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Reads are another factor - Most guys who multitable has crap reads unless experienced.



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The timing of actions(the only real read you can get) are of little use to online play.

Getting a feel for you opponents, and knowing their tendencies is valuable, and is not the same as reading an opponent. This is something you might do better playing less tables, but it is quickly remedied with a hud.

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A few things i find odd in this quote mate.

Timings is not the only read you can get, and they are worthless.

Would you bet your TPTK on a 4flush board vs someone watching porn(So taking longer to check) than someone focusing and automatically checking?


a HUD doesnt come NEAR well written and observed notes on a players tendencies.

I.e. "Player bet turn when board paired holding high cards" The day a hud tell you that will be the day bots become AWESOME. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

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Reads are another factor - Most guys who multitable has crap reads unless experienced.



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The timing of actions(the only real read you can get) are of little use to online play.

Getting a feel for you opponents, and knowing their tendencies is valuable, and is not the same as reading an opponent. This is something you might do better playing less tables, but it is quickly remedied with a hud.

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A few things i find odd in this quote mate.

Timings is not the only read you can get, and they are worthless.

Would you bet your TPTK on a 4flush board vs someone watching porn(So taking longer to check) than someone focusing and automatically checking?


a HUD doesnt come NEAR well written and observed notes on a players tendencies.

I.e. "Player bet turn when board paired holding high cards" The day a hud tell you that will be the day bots become AWESOME. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

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I appologize for confusing the terms read, and tell. I was referring to tells. A hud is a remedy, not a full on cure for not being able to observe everything everyone does at a table. I do keep notes, and coupled with hud, it does well. It just takes longer to get good reads.

If an opponent had a went to showdown stat of 39, yea I'd bet my TPTK, if an opponent had a PF aggresion of 4 and a went to showdown of 18, i would raise him on the turn when the board paired. Obviously Focusing completely on 1 table will improve your winrate. Thanks for clearing up my misconception.

[w_alloy]

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a HUD doesnt come NEAR well written and observed notes on a players tendencies.

I.e. "Player bet turn when board paired holding high cards" The day a hud tell you that will be the day bots become AWESOME.


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Pokerace is amazing if you customize it a lot and have a large db. Comparing single tabling with a bunch of people I have played with without stats for a few hundred hands and 6 tabling with over 2k datamined hands on each (no hands together) and my hud set up, I will have much better reads with the hud. This is not because i am poor at getting reads without hud.

I used to take tons of notes but stopped. Just because both times he donked the flop he showed down top pair, it doesnt mean when he will the thrid time. The opportunity cost attention wise, and the fact that you can do almost anything with HUD, and the nature of taking notes on something with sample size less then 5, means notes generally suck.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, the largest mistakes most good online players make is not fully taking advantage of datamining and a good in-depth hud set-up.