Telling Them What You Have - Page 2

Jeststeve · #11 11-14-2003, 01:41 PM

I have to agree that it is a usefull tactic in throwing your opponents off. Why would you tell us what you have? they think and figure you to be bluffing or whatever. Personally I don't listen when people talk about their cards because the only reason they would do it is to be deceptive. (weather they tell the truth about the hand or not.) reverse- double reverse- or even triple it's all lying to get them to do something they shouldn't. Which is what you want. The whole objective of the game is to make the right decision and get them to make the wrong one. However....

In all of the live games I've played in a casino (not home games or online), you will / should get chastised for announcing your hand. It plays into collusion. You may nopt even be talking to the fish. you may have a partner in the game. Or it's as simply as discussing the hand. I know if your not in the hand and even guess at someone elses cards they get mad at you for bringing it up. I know it happens a lot. But it is against the rules. If you can get away with it, okay. but expect to get called on it if your playing in a live casino game.

Just my thoughts.

bisonbison · #12 11-18-2003, 08:53 PM

The furthest I'll go is to tell the normally tight player who's thrown away 80% of his chips in the last 2 rounds "maybe you should stop tilting". It can annoy the other people at the table, but properly timed, like when you've taken their A-6o with your QQ, it can push someone right over the edge.

goofball · #13 11-19-2003, 05:56 AM

i love this move!
espicially when you have the nuts
raise and say "you better be able to beat my..."

dsm · #14 11-19-2003, 10:06 AM

If it were against the rules, it's easy to get around simply by rephrasing. You "imply" rather than saying it directly.

Something like:

"LOL, U aren't gonna BELIEVE what I have again!!!! :O)

vector · #15 11-20-2003, 10:25 PM

Put it another way; if it's ok to announce your hand, is it ok for players who have mucked to announce their hands?

You know how it goes, player A folds preflop to a raise, then says 'aww, I would have made a fullhouse on that flop'. Sometimes this can really screw up your play for the hand (for instance if you wanted to bluff, other players now can rule out one of the cards that would make a set).

I think this also opens the door for collusion in online play. Whenever someone announces their hand after they have mucked and before the play is over I ask them not to do so again (politely).

I'm not actually sure where the online rooms stand on this though? I hope it is against the rules, if for no other reason than it allows too much cover for potential colluders. (Then again they would probably just use instant messenging to talk to each other).

baggins · #16 11-21-2003, 02:16 AM

i would only use this 'ploy' headsup. then i can be sure that it is only me against one opponent. besides, i'm still in the hand, and i have a legitimate interest in the outcome of that hand. anybody who has mucked has no legitimate interest in the outcome of the hand. also, there is no strategic advantage or disadvantage due to announcing a hand that has already been mucked. talking about a hand that is still live is different.

vector · #17 11-21-2003, 07:40 AM

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anybody who has mucked has no legitimate interest in the outcome of the hand. also, there is no strategic advantage or disadvantage due to announcing a hand that has already been mucked.

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Not to the player who has mucked, but their can be huge implications for the still live hands.

baggins · #18 11-21-2003, 12:55 PM

exactly. which is why you shouldn't do it if you have mucked. but it's different if you're still in the hand.

LetsRock · #19 11-25-2003, 02:55 PM

Most of the online rooms I've played on have rules against this sort of chat. It's NOT the same as bluffing and is highly unethical.

After the hand, say what you want, but it is completely inappropriate to announce your hand, or make any comments about cards you mucked, guessing at opponents hands or any insinuations about draws while the hand is in progress.

Do this at my table and I will sick the site's host on you! Enough of these complaints and you'll be banned from the site.

While you may "just" be playing a psychological sub-game, it's against the rules.

baggins · #20 11-26-2003, 02:22 AM

i agree, except for heads up. in heads up play, there is only one person that it can hurt, and that is me. nobody else should have the option to hurt my chances by talking, and i shouldn't have the option to hurt anybody else's chances. but if it's only my stacks that are effected, then i don't have a problem with talking about my hand on occasion, if it seems to be +EV.