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12-03-2005, 06:25 PM
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Re: ATs on the button: postflop play
Bluefeet is right about his flop raise IMO. You're getting called and you won't know where you are. It'll make the hand so hard to play afterwards. I call the flop and lead out this safe turn. But I do it for more. You'll get checked to on the river almost always when you're ahead and you can take the cheap showdown. But I charge the draws while I can.
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12-03-2005, 06:33 PM
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Re: ATs on the button: postflop play
I agree that the turn bet should have been bigger to charge the draws.
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12-03-2005, 06:42 PM
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Re: ATs on the button: postflop play
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I agree that the turn bet should have been bigger to charge the draws. [/ QUOTE ] i don't disagree in principal. however, we can't disregard the check-raise scenario entirely. on the flip side, we do increase the number of times we take it down here. i'm not sure how much more...1/2 pot i guess might fill both requirements. you aren't too far off.
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#4
12-03-2005, 06:48 PM
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Re: ATs on the button: postflop play
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[ QUOTE ] I agree that the turn bet should have been bigger to charge the draws. [/ QUOTE ] i don't disagree in principal. however, we can't disregard the check-raise scenario entirely. on the flip side, we do increase the number of times we take it down here. i'm not sure how much more...1/2 pot i guess might fill both requirements. you aren't too far off. [/ QUOTE ] I don't get it. We can fold comfortably to a c/r.
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#5
12-03-2005, 06:52 PM
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Re: ATs on the button: postflop play
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I agree that the turn bet should have been bigger to charge the draws. [/ QUOTE ] i don't disagree in principal. however, we can't disregard the check-raise scenario entirely. on the flip side, we do increase the number of times we take it down here. i'm not sure how much more...1/2 pot i guess might fill both requirements. you aren't too far off. [/ QUOTE ] I don't get it. We can fold comfortably to a c/r. [/ QUOTE ] i hearya - i just wanted to ensure we were on the same page regarding "more". certainly not required to approach anything near 3/4ths to pot.
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12-03-2005, 07:03 PM
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Re: ATs on the button: postflop play
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I agree that the turn bet should have been bigger to charge the draws. [/ QUOTE ] i don't disagree in principal. however, we can't disregard the check-raise scenario entirely. on the flip side, we do increase the number of times we take it down here. i'm not sure how much more...1/2 pot i guess might fill both requirements. you aren't too far off. [/ QUOTE ] I don't get it. We can fold comfortably to a c/r. [/ QUOTE ] i hearya - i just wanted to ensure we were on the same page regarding "more". certainly not required to approach anything near 3/4ths to pot. [/ QUOTE ] Oh, yes, glad you clarified. No I'm saying like 1/2 pot.
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#7
12-04-2005, 05:04 AM
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Re: ATs on the button: postflop play
Is the purpose to charge draws, or to get as cheap a show-down as possible? These seem like conflicting requirements. If the goal is the former, it seems hero played about perfectly, at least in this particular case. If the purpose is to charge draws, then the difference between what he actually bet and half the pot is minimal.
To me the most important consideration is how much to bet to make the block on the turn work and get the free showdown. What hero did worked perfectly here, but on the average, is it a large enough bet, or would a half-pot bet accomplish the purpose enough better to be worth the extra investment?
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