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Re: *Official* Boat or Better Thread
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And one more... Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. UTG posts a blind of $0.75. UTG (poster) checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, MP2 calls $0.50 (All-In), UTG calls. I cap this preflop figuring he had KK or AA just because I can get him out of the way since he will be all in... Was that a good idea? [/ QUOTE ] preflop cap is standard [ QUOTE ] Flop: (14 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 1 all-in)</font> UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG calls. Probably should have went for the c/r??? Or was this leading out ok since i did cap preflop i figured it would get checked... [/ QUOTE ] You could not c/r here because you were in position. When checked to you a bet is fine. I may have tried a slowplay here, hoping to get a BB out of him witha single heart or something, but a bet is fine. [ QUOTE ] Turn: (8 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 1 all-in)</font> UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG calls. River: (10 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 1 all-in)</font> UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG folds. Final Pot: 11 BB Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF"> Hero has Qs Qc (four of a kind, queens). MP2 has Ah Ac (two pair, aces and queens). Outcome: Hero wins 11 BB. </font> [/ QUOTE ] turn and river are good. |
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Re: *Official* Boat or Better Thread
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If you're wondering what that hand looks like from the villian's point of view, here you go - Ultimate Bet 0.50/1 Hold'em (8 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, SB calls, BB calls. Flop: (6 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, BB calls, Hero calls. Turn: (4.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, BB folds, Hero calls. River: (6.50 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, SB calls. Final Pot: 14.50 BB Results in white below: Hero has Qd Qc (straight flush, queen high). SB has 7c 5c (straight flush, jack high). Outcome: Hero wins 14.50 BB. SB was most unhappy after that hand. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] You should be raising this flop. If not ahead you have 4 outs to what will probably be the best hand, + 8 more flush outs which will give you the best hand nearly half the time. If he 3-bets, I call down UI, and probably just call down if a flush card comes. |
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Re: *Official* Boat or Better Thread
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In situations where you flop a big hand (ie boat/flush/straight) How should it be played, generally I will slowplay against few opponents, in this situation I hit a big hand but I didn't want to scare anyone away how did I play it? no reads Paradise Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>. Flop: (7 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, SB calls, Hero calls. I din't bet or c/r here as I thought I would scare everyone away, also I wanted to c/r the turn (I would of bet/c-r if there were more opponents) Turn: (5 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, SB calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button calls, SB calls. River: (11 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, SB folds, Hero ? I'm worried I've been slowplayed by a flush, do I call or raise? (then again wouldn't someone with a flush re-raise the turn?) [/ QUOTE ] You should come out betting on this flop. As the PFR, people are assuming that you have strength. As a result, they will usually check this through. However, most players with a Q or diamond will call here.The problem with going for a turn c/r is that often he will check with a drawing hand. I think I would have c/r'ed the flop and led the turn. I just call this river raise. |
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Re: 66 in BB
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OK, here's one. I'm playing at Stars and the tables are loosey goosey, as you'll soon see. I'm in BB with 6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 1 limp, 2 limp, 3 limp <font color="red"> raise </font>, <font color="red"> 3 bet from hijack </font>, folded to me. Now the way utg and utg+1 and utg+2 have been playing, I was about 95% sure, if I called, they were calling. I was just as certain that if the action was capped, they were coming along too. So I called the 2 sb and lo and behold, so did the limpers. MP2 (original raiser) caps, and hijack calls with the rest of us. All 6 of us see a flop with 24.5 sb in it. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Yummy!! But this is where I'm a little lost. So being oop holding a monster, I check, intending to CR if it's heads up. 4 checks to the original raiser and he bets, <font color="red"> hijack raises </font> so I smooth call the 2 bets, hoping for some overcalls and possibly a 3 bet from MP2. I get one overcall, and <font color="red"> MP2 makes it 3 </font>, hijack calls, and <font color="red"> I go ahead and cap it </font>, all 3 of them call. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] Turn anyone? How about a brick for 20.25 BB? 4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] to make it: 6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] I bet, UTG+1 calls all in, MP2 calls, river is 2 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] I bet, MP2 calls and hates me. I win 24bb pot with boat, utg+1 has 77 for 2 pair, and MP2 has AA, another 2 pair Was my preflop call correct, knowing that this could be a huge multiway pot? I will know on the flop if I'm gonna continue. [/ QUOTE ] tubasteve's analysis above was very good. |
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Re: 66 in BB
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I love you, passive players. PokerStars 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (7 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is Button with 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, CO calls, Hero calls, SB completes, BB checks. Flop: (4 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> SB checks, BB checks, CO checks, Hero checks. Turn: (2 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> SB checks, BB checks, CO checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB folds, BB calls, CO calls. River: (5 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> BB checks, CO checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB folds, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO caps</font>, Hero calls. Final Pot: 13 BB Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF"> CO has Ah 7h (flush, ace high). Hero has 3d 3h (full house, threes full of nines). Outcome: Hero wins 13 BB. </font> [/ QUOTE ] I fold pf. postflop was standard. |
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Re: *Official* Boat or Better Thread
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I think I played this quads hand pretty good. Villain was a TAG. Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx Preflop: Hero is BB with 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises</font>, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, Hero calls. Flop: (4.33 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises</font>, Hero calls. Turn: (4.16 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, MP1 calls. River: (10.16 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP1 calls. Final Pot: 14.16 BB [/ QUOTE ] Given your read, I like this play. I might just bet the river, expecting him to be scared and check it through. |
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Re: Why you don\'t need to slowplay quads at 1/2
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (9 max, 7 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. UTG calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, CO calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls, UTG calls. Flop: (8.50 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, UTG folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, CO calls, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, CO calls, BB calls. Turn: (10.25 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, CO calls, BB calls. River: (13.25 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, BB calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, CO calls, BB calls. Final Pot: 22.25 BB CO:K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] for a flush. BB:A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] for 2 pair, Aces and Queens. Hero: Flopped da nuts. [/ QUOTE ] calling the flop 3-bet is better i think so you can raise the turn. [/ QUOTE ] I dont think so. We hit such a big piece of the board. Just pop it like its hot and hope someone else hit. [/ QUOTE ] BB obviously hit and will almost definitely bet the turn if we call, but will likely check if we cap. CO seems to have no p roblem calling anything. [/ QUOTE ] I think its rare to find a guy who will call two big bets on the turn without a better hand than A9o. I think its better to collect on the flop when we are sure that the bets go in. [/ QUOTE ] I actually think the EV is close on this one. Here we get an extra BB on the flop + likely 1.5 on the turn if we cap. If we call and raise the turn we will get like 2.5BB on the turn (that means CO calls 1/8 of the time) and 0 extra BB on the flop. so I think it's really close. |
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Re: Why you don\'t need to slowplay quads at 1/2
didnt you lose an avatar bet or something? why are you still normal looking. i want to see blood damn it.
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Re: 66 in BB
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Gettin' dirty at a tight-arse table . . . Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (10 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO calls, Button calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG+2 calls. Flop: (9.50 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> UTG+2 checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, Button folds, UTG+2 calls, Hero calls. Turn: (6.25 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> UTG+2 checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, CO calls, UTG+2 folds. River: (11.25 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, CO calls. Final Pot: 13.25 BB mmmmmmmmmm . . . [/ QUOTE ] I suggest you check your table reads. You got a limper and 2 coldcallers. I can't bring myself to raise this after a limper, unless I have a specific read that I will fold everybody else, and that the rest of the table is exceptionally tight. Checking the flop is ok, but I think I would bet it. Most players are peeling with OCs on this flop, but will not call a turn bet. I think it's reasonable to expect CO to bet this turn again. That card was no reason to be worried. river is good. |
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Re: *Official* Boat or Better Thread
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Paradise Poker $2/$4 Hero is in SB with T6o. Action is folded to Hero. Hero completes. Villian checks. Flop T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Hero checks, Villian checks Turn: J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Hero checks, Villian checks River: 4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Hero checks, Villian checks Final Pot: 1 BB. Results: <font color="white">Hero has full house, Sixes over tens Villian has [83o] (a pair of sixes) (I) Villian say: "nh" He answers: "yeah, super"</font> [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] this pf completion is gross. raise or fold. I probably bet the river after the first 2 check-throughs. This slowplay is ok because of small pot + HU. |
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