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Re: J10s favored over pocket pair???
thank you. thats what i thought , but was still suprised.
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Re: J10s favored over pocket pair???
It depends a lot on how many players are in the pot. If you're heads up, pocket pairs are great. If you're at a full table (and I think your hand rankings are for a full table) you need to have a powerful hand at the end to beat all the others and suited connectors are good at ending up as powerful hands when they make flushes and straights.
A pair of threes lose a lot in a multiway pot unless you get a set. I've done some simulations of 10-way pots (everybody at a full table stays in to the river). 33 is at the middle of the field there. JTs is hand no. 15 so it wins a lot more. If you do the same for 2-way pots, 33 is hand no. 12 and JTs is no. 17 so a pair of threes is the better hand heads-up. |
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Re: J10s favored over pocket pair???
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If you do the same for 2-way pots, 33 is hand no. 12 and JTs is no. 17 so a pair of threes is the better hand heads-up. [/ QUOTE ] As the OP said, JTs is a favorite over 33. Plus, JTs is the easier hand to play heads-up, IMO. EDIT- I don't think I completely understood your post when I made mine. But JTs is still the easier of the two hands to play heads-up, IMO. Also, simulations like the ones you have been running aren't very useful. |
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Re: J10s favored over pocket pair???
Yes. When 33 goes agains JTs, JTs is the favorite.
But 33 wins more against a random hand than JTs does. So you should prefer that heads-up. |
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Re: J10s favored over pocket pair???
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But 33 wins more against a random hand than JTs does. So you should prefer that heads-up. [/ QUOTE ] How do you get from A to B here? Random hands aren't what people play, and pots aren't taken to the river a good percentage of the time. As I said in my last edit, I misunderstood your first post, but this one I completely understand. It is wrong. You should prefer the hand that is most profitable for you, and that calculation must include a number of different factors. Generally one of the least important factors to consider is which hand is favored against a random hand. Still, if you are in the blinds heads-up, random hands do become more important. In most heads-up pots, I'll take JTs over 33. You are almost always in a much trickier situation when you play 33 heads-up, and that leads to mistakes. Mistakes cost money. |
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