Ever wonder why 2+2 is going downhill?

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Neither response of Evan's are sarcatic. You should look that word up.

However, the first one wasn't helpful, I'm guilty of quick responses like that too sometimes.

The second response and his second point in the second response is dead on. The burden is on the person making the claim that something isn't the way it seems. To clarify, raising and folding are two very different actions, saying that choosing one over the other doesn't matter, i.e. saying they produce the same effect (EVwise) is the bolder statement and requires more justification than objecting to it does, IMO.