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Old 11-27-2005, 05:37 PM
detruncate detruncate is offline
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Default Re: overcall?

Do we really fold an overpair for 1 bet in a 15 BB pot?
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Old 11-28-2005, 06:26 AM
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Default Re: overcall?

Every so often a hand comes along that makes me think about the oft cited maxim about not folding for 1 BB in a big pot closing the action.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 3-bets</font>, BB folds, Hero calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 caps</font>, MP2 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (10.25 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, MP2 calls, Hero calls.

River: (13.25 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, MP2 calls, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 15.25 BB

Results:
MP1 has 8h Jh (two pair, jacks and tens).
MP2 has 9d Jc (two pair, jacks and tens).
Outcome: MP1 wins 7.62 BB. MP2 wins 7.62 BB.

I was understandably grumpy. Error or &lt; 1/15 + too results oriented?
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Old 11-28-2005, 06:58 AM
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Default Re: overcall?

Its hard for me to make an unbiased decision given the results are shown. You have a pretty good hand. Bet on the river, its only 1 bet. Now if it were raised up by these villains then I would fold, but going all the way with this good pot and folding for one bet is not the way to go.
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