Flush draw, huge growing pot.

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Check on the turn is good, as is call. You've easily got the odds, and if you make your hand you'll be paid off like there's no tomorrow.

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Was a spade falling on the turn not one of the best cards hero could have hoped for? Assuming that it is why not lead out and hope to get this pot pumpted up? I am some what new to limit, so forgive me if this is obvious, but against all of these oponents, wouldn't hero want to get as much money in on this turn as possible with 8 clean outs to the nuts? And, assuming that it is only one bet when it gets back around to you, would a c/c be better than a c/r?

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Add that to the fact that they are either very loose and then will call us against the odds

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This would suck... It's so much better to just call and let them play correctly instead of inducing an error.

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When there is many loose players and many draws out there it isnt the best hand that benefits of loose calls, its the strong draws.

[Aaron W.]

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Add that to the fact that they are either very loose and then will call us against the odds

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This would suck... It's so much better to just call and let them play correctly instead of inducing an error.

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When there is many loose players and many draws out there it isnt the best hand that benefits of loose calls, its the strong draws.

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Are you saying the gutshot is a "strong" draw, or are you worried about flush draws?

If there's a flush draw out there then yes, he's going to benefit if there are lots of callers. But this does not mean that you don't benefit as well. Like it or not, whenever you're up against a flush draw when you have the best hand, he's going to hog a large share of the pot. This does not mean that you don't get a share as well:

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1368323
pokenum -h as 3s - 9d 7d - jc 8h - kh 7s -- ad kd ts
Holdem Hi: 820 enumerated boards containing Ts Ad Kd
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As 3s 326 39.76 489 59.63 5 0.61 0.399
9d 7d 325 39.63 490 59.76 5 0.61 0.398
Jc 8h 85 10.37 730 89.02 5 0.61 0.105
7s Kh 79 9.63 736 89.76 5 0.61 0.098

Of course, you win more when he doesn't have the flush draw:

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1368324
pokenum -h as 3s - td 7c - jc 8h - kh 7s -- ad kd ts
Holdem Hi: 820 enumerated boards containing Ts Ad Kd
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As 3s 456 55.61 354 43.17 10 1.22 0.559
7c Td 108 13.17 702 85.61 10 1.22 0.135
Jc 8h 147 17.93 663 80.85 10 1.22 0.182
7s Kh 99 12.07 711 86.71 10 1.22 0.124