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Old 11-24-2005, 02:06 PM
bottomset bottomset is offline
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Default Re: King high and to the river we go...

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Thanks for the input. Is it standard to then check / fold overcards on this flop? Or bet and then fold to a raise? Is that what I should be doing? Or do I call a reraise on the flop and fold on the turn U/I? I guess the consensus is that I didn't play this well at all and just got lucky? Is it possible that I simply had bluff outs as well as my overcard outs, and simply made a good move at the right time? Is it at all possible that my read was solid and I just played the hand as well as I could which happened to end in a good result for myself? I'll usually fold to a reraise in that spot, or take another card only to fold on the turn U/I, but I took an alternate approach here. Its not something I'd try too often, obviously, as again the consensus is that I played this poorly.


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first off not all overcards are created equal, not all boards are good either, and number of opponents is important, as is who is raising you .. so there isn't a simple way to play them, and looking for a simple 1line answer for all overcard play isn't the way to look at it


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One thing I should mention is that I mistakenly referred to the button as "weak tight." I realize this changes the analysis, but I didn't have many hands with which to go on. Thus far he had only shown a set of 4's, and only played 12hands

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see bolded sections for contradictions

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I noticed he had never raised

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I don't know how many times I've went 15-20hands without a raising hand, and I raise 10-12% at fullring, 16-18% at 6max .. so don't try to make stat readbased plays off of 12-15hands

I can't think of a player type that I would 3bet this flop with KQo no backupdraws
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Old 11-24-2005, 04:17 PM
kapw7 kapw7 is offline
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Default Re: King high and to the river we go...

The flop raise is useless. On the river I don't think you can make a better hand (i.e. a low pair) to fold against a fairly decent player but it's 1/2 and a weak opponent so maybe you can get away with it given the pot size (bad players don't adjust to pot size and can make bad folds).
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Old 11-24-2005, 09:08 PM
avisco01 avisco01 is offline
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Default Re: King high and to the river we go...

Bottomset, you've convinced me, I'm a failure. I played this recklessly and just got lucky. Thanks for your input everyone.
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Old 11-24-2005, 09:37 PM
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Bottomset, you've convinced me, I'm a failure. I played this recklessly and just got lucky. Thanks for your input everyone.

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Bah, it's ok, this is how you learn. Props for having the guts to admit that.
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