how many bets until you just call?

turnipmonster · #1 11-23-2005, 12:36 PM

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He DID make his straight flush. Ansd as far as I recollect, the 2c4c was the ONLY possible straight flush out there. So I had the 2nd nuts.

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this is impossible, since you have the Ac the only straight flush 2c4c makes is with a board of 3 5 6, making 4c7c the better straight flush. you had the 3rd nuts.

Dominic · #2 11-23-2005, 01:06 PM

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He DID make his straight flush. Ansd as far as I recollect, the 2c4c was the ONLY possible straight flush out there. So I had the 2nd nuts.

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this is impossible, since you have the Ac the only straight flush 2c4c makes is with a board of 3 5 6, making 4c7c the better straight flush. you had the 3rd nuts.

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well there you go....so I'm a an even bigger moron than I thought! [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

#3 11-23-2005, 01:10 PM

HE HAS THE SECOND NUTS IF THE VILLAIN HOLDS A STRAIGHT FLUSH BECAUSE ONLY ONE IS POSSIBLE WHEN THE VILLAIN HOLDS THE 4c.

TheWorstPlayer · #4 11-23-2005, 01:20 PM

This is not true. Obviously it is more likely for his opponent to have the straight flush when both 47c and 42c make the straight flush than if only one combination of cards makes the straight flush. Therefore it is not helpful to say it is the second nuts and more helpful to say it is the third even though two different players can't hold the first and second nuts at the same time since they share the 4c.

shemp · #5 11-23-2005, 01:24 PM

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This is not true. Obviously it is more likely for his opponent to have the straight flush when both 47c and 42c make the straight flush than if only one combination of cards makes the straight flush. Therefore it is not helpful to say it is the second nuts and more helpful to say it is the third even though two different players can't hold the first and second nuts at the same time since they share the 4c.

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This is an amusing technical hijack. Why call it 3rd nuts if you know that it can never come in 3rd? If i have jt on the JJT43 board, I have the nuts, even though JJ would be better. I should add, that I'd choose your usage typically.

wheelz · #6 11-23-2005, 01:26 PM

if the board has JJ and you have JJ how is JJ a possible holding for anyone else? or a better hand even?

nit

shemp · #7 11-23-2005, 01:32 PM

The same way it is possible for both better hands 7c4c and 4c2c to be out there at the same time? (Just to be on the safe side: It's Not.)

TheWorstPlayer · #8 11-23-2005, 02:30 PM

I know you agree with me, but just to clarify: you rule out YOUR OWN cards when determining nut-itude, but you can't rule out the number of OTHER card combinations just because some of them overlap.

#9 11-23-2005, 02:33 PM

Man this is technical.

#10 11-24-2005, 02:10 AM

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He DID make his straight flush. Ansd as far as I recollect, the 2c4c was the ONLY possible straight flush out there. So I had the 2nd nuts.

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this is impossible, since you have the Ac the only straight flush 2c4c makes is with a board of 3 5 6, making 4c7c the better straight flush. you had the 3rd nuts.

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24 and 74 are the same hand---only a ST FL using the 4 beats him----he effectively had the 2nd nuts