Raise TT on the river? #1

[Ulysses]

Lots of 6-max talk around here, so here are a couple of hands that I think are pretty typical in these games and played pretty similarly to the 5-10 games I played.

PartyPoker 10-20 6-max

UTG limps. I raise w/ [ Td, Ts ]. Button cold-calls. SB calls. BB calls.

All I really know here is that SB is a terrible player who plays any two and bluffs a lot. Nothing special about anyone else.

** Dealing Flop ** : [ 2h, 3s, 8d ]

SB bets. BB calls. UTG raises. I 3-bet. Call, call, call.

** Dealing Turn ** : [ 9c ]

Checked to me. I bet. SB and BB call.

** Dealing River ** : [ 4c ]

SB bets. BB calls. Call or raise?

[BigEndian]

I'm horrible at 6-handed, but I would fold. SB bet into you and though you've read him as a dolt, the caller in between the two of you probably isn't - I would put him on 9's over 8's. I wouldn't be surprised if the dolt showed you A5 though if he's that bad.

- Groove

[ThingDo]

Folding on the river here would be a terrible thing.

[Bokonon]

First let me say that while I'm not sure it's optimal, if it's a very loose table I generally call with TT in that position, hoping to get 5 or 6 callers and flop a set -- on a tight table, raise and hope I can get HU. Talk about a loose table, raising and getting 5 callers anyway [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]. If you knew ahead of time that you would get that many callers, would you have rather not raised pf? Just curious.

As far as the river . . . you've represented an overpair the whole hand. Yet the SB bets out when a seemingly non-scary comes down on the river. I think I'd call, putting the BB on something like A8 and the SB on something wacky like 44. But it's Party, so anything is possible [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].

[Joe Tall]

Question: Would the SB stone cold bluff into 2 opponents? I'm sure he defend w/A5.

I think, that the SB thinks, his TP is good. Raise.

Peace,
Joe Tall

[anatta]

I just call. SB could have a big hand (st8, crazy 2 pair) with which he may reraise. He could have no hand which he probably folds. He could have a mediocre hand which he will call. I suspect the player in the middle will fold top pair if you raise but call with any hand that beats you. If this is so, only in the case of SB having a mediocre hand does raising make sense (and this is only if the BB has a worse hand). (unless you think that SB will three-bet bluff the BB off a better hand, but this is such a parlay that it isn't likely) All in all, I just call.

[Mike Gallo]

Bokonon,

This table has 6 players max. In a short handed game players have much different standards.

[Mike Gallo]

Ulysses,

Very cutting edge post.

I would raise. You have bet the entire time, if he had a hand he would have check raised. I think you can raise here and A8 or A9 will still call.

[rharless]

Ulysses,
I don't know the answer to your post but wanted to say thanks for posting some interesting 6-max hands. Whenever I poke around the "headsup shorthanded" forum there doesn't seem to be much content. Maybe I just don't know which posters to look out for over there.

I know that I myself would call, but I would not be surprised if raising is right here. I don't understand the short-handed mind too well.

[Ulysses]

This (anatta's response) is just about exactly the reasoning I used to call.