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Slow Play? #1 (PLO8)
The game is 200 PLO8 at party. My stack is 200 the same as everyone else in the hand.
I have Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] in the small blind. 2 callers from middle position, cut-off min raises, I call, BB calls, the 2 original callers call his min raise, 5 see the flop. Flop: J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img](19 in the middle) I am first to act and check, everyone checks right behind me. Turn: Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img](19 in the middle) Hero ? Ill post results later, just want some opinions before I post them. |
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Re: Slow Play? #1 (PLO8)
I easily fold this preflop. You have no real low draw and QQ qith no suits, being OOP to a raise. Yes, it's a minraise, but your hand still sucks. And if someone behind you raises, you cannot continue in the hand regardless. So I think that's a somewhat medium mistake calling this pf.
You hit your money card on the turn, but you can't really like any card except a J-7-5-Q on the river. Only a deuce does not enable a straight on the river. Someting like A46x or A368 is very possible. KTxx is less likely unless they have two paints to go with it or A2/A3/A4s. You're a coinflip with a lot of hands with a flush draw/OESD, 3-1 favorite over nut flush w/ non-straight low draws. You can pot this, but be ready to fold this on a bad river if there are multiple calls to your turn bet. |
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Re: Slow Play? #1 (PLO8)
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I easily fold this preflop. You have no real low draw and QQ qith no suits, being OOP to a raise. Yes, it's a minraise, but your hand still sucks. And if someone behind you raises, you cannot continue in the hand regardless. So I think that's a somewhat medium mistake calling this pf. You hit your money card on the turn, but you can't really like any card except a J-7-5-Q on the river. Only a deuce does not enable a straight on the river. Someting like A46x or A368 is very possible. KTxx is less likely unless they have two paints to go with it or A2/A3/A4s. You're a coinflip with a lot of hands with a flush draw/OESD, 3-1 favorite over nut flush w/ non-straight low draws. You can pot this, but be ready to fold this on a bad river if there are multiple calls to your turn bet. [/ QUOTE ] I checked hoping to pot raise anyone that tried to pick it up. Well it got checked through once again. River 5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Hero ? |
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Re: Slow Play? #1 (PLO8)
Check-fold; you have to assume somebody has quads.
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Re: Slow Play? #1 (PLO8)
That's a [censored] horrible spot to check. There are a mega bazillion draws out there, some of which will pay you now but not on a board pairing or high river, all of which you're giving a free card to. Only check raise in these spots when you're 100% certain someone will bet. That usually only happens when you're up against a maniac, a preflop raiser following through on the flop, or a nice coordinated board for which you hold the nuts.
On the river make it $5 and pray someone has something to raise you with. It's a pretty [censored] board for most hands, there are no straights, no flushes, no lows... |
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Re: Slow Play? #1 (PLO8)
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That's a [censored] horrible spot to check. There are a mega bazillion draws out there, some of which will pay you now but not on a board pairing or high river, all of which you're giving a free card to. Only check raise in these spots when you're 100% certain someone will bet. That usually only happens when you're up against a maniac, a preflop raiser following through on the flop, or a nice coordinated board for which you hold the nuts. [/ QUOTE ] Well a guy raised preflop, sort of, and 4 people were behind me and 2 had shown a bit of aggression in previous hands. I just couldnt believe it got checked through. Thats what made this hand so funny and pretty much worth posting. |
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Re: Slow Play? #1 (PLO8)
J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
What precisely are people betting with here? It's a board of gutshots, low draws, maybe an OESD, maybe a flush draw. It's scary spot to bet for virtually any holding. Contrast this with: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] where you could expect a bet from a lot of holdings. |
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Re: Slow Play? #1 (PLO8)
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J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] What precisely are people betting with here? It's a board of gutshots, low draws, maybe an OESD, maybe a flush draw. It's scary spot to bet for virtually any holding. Contrast this with: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] where you could expect a bet from a lot of holdings. [/ QUOTE ] 20 bucks in the middle everyone checked the flop, I was thinking maybe someone would take a stab at it. I guess not, I screwed up this hand pretty badly. Also what do you think of checking the river? |
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Re: Slow Play? #1 (PLO8)
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That's a [censored] horrible spot to check. There are a mega bazillion draws out there, some of which will pay you now but not on a board pairing or high river, all of which you're giving a free card to. Only check raise in these spots when you're 100% certain someone will bet. That usually only happens when you're up against a maniac, a preflop raiser following through on the flop, or a nice coordinated board for which you hold the nuts. On the river make it $5 and pray someone has something to raise you with. It's a pretty [censored] board for most hands, there are no straights, no flushes, no lows... [/ QUOTE ] I agree with this completely. Terrible spot to go for a check raise. |
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Re: Slow Play? #1 (PLO8)
As stupid as that sounds,
I agree. Quads have killed me over the last few days as per my other post, and 3 other times in the past two days, out of like 500 hands where overfulls loses to quads. Gregery or buzz discussed it with me awhile back, more common than I thought it would be. |
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