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Gutshot and over(s?)
I know, I know, this is on UB, and I could do much better.
Table has been mostly passive, but I've only been around about 3 orbits. Seat to my right has been aggressive though. I was definitely peeling one for my gutshot, figured my backdoor draws, and the possiblity of cleaning up the K (and maybe the 9?) might be worth a raise, as the bettor certainly didn't need top pair to bet when checked to. Any thoughts? Ultimate Bet 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx Preflop: Hero is CO with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. UTG calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP3 calls, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB completes, BB checks. Flop: (5 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font> SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB folds, BB folds, UTG folds, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 3-bets</font>, Hero calls. Turn: (5.50 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets</font>, Hero calls. River: (7.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP3 calls. Final Pot: 11.50 BB |
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Re: Gutshot and over(s?)
The flop raise is pretty much straight out of Ed Miller. Gutshot + one overcard + solid backdoor flush draw makes this a standard raise. Folding other 7s and better Ks would rule.
I think the rest of the hand plays itself. |
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Re: Gutshot and over(s?)
Nice hand. I need to raise more in these kinds of situations. I would have probably just called the flop bet here.
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Re: Gutshot and over(s?)
There is a time & a place for this sort of raise. Lots of people misapply aggression, especially after they read SSH. Your situation is perfect. nh
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Re: Gutshot and over(s?)
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I know, I know, this is on UB, and I could do much better. Table has been mostly passive, but I've only been around about 3 orbits. Seat to my right has been aggressive though. I was definitely peeling one for my gutshot, figured my backdoor draws, and the possiblity of cleaning up the K (and maybe the 9?) might be worth a raise, as the bettor certainly didn't need top pair to bet when checked to. Any thoughts? Ultimate Bet 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx Preflop: Hero is CO with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. UTG calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP3 calls, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB completes, BB checks. Flop: (5 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font> SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB folds, BB folds, UTG folds, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 3-bets</font>, Hero calls. Turn: (5.50 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets</font>, Hero calls. River: (7.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP3 calls. Final Pot: 11.50 BB [/ QUOTE ] Nice play. I point out that this raise is probably appropriate here because of your relative position. Something that most people don't realize is that with a flop such as this one, we've absoultely got to get other kings such as K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] to fold. You were in perfect position to thin the field since the bet came from your immediate right. Good play, my man. |
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Re: Gutshot and over(s?)
[ QUOTE ]
I know, I know, this is on UB, and I could do much better. Table has been mostly passive, but I've only been around about 3 orbits. Seat to my right has been aggressive though. I was definitely peeling one for my gutshot, figured my backdoor draws, and the possiblity of cleaning up the K (and maybe the 9?) might be worth a raise, as the bettor certainly didn't need top pair to bet when checked to. Any thoughts? Ultimate Bet 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx Preflop: Hero is CO with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. UTG calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP3 calls, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB completes, BB checks. Flop: (5 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font> SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB folds, BB folds, UTG folds, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 3-bets</font>, Hero calls. Turn: (5.50 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets</font>, Hero calls. River: (7.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP3 calls. Final Pot: 11.50 BB [/ QUOTE ] Raising to thin the field and perhaps get a free card with a combination of weak draws is a good idea in theory, although in this case you didn't get a free card and it turns out you wanted other players along for the ride. With 15 outs, I raise the turn here unless I am certain of getting re-raised. Raising the turn allows him to fold occasionally, and also gives you a free showdown a good portion of the time, so it doesn't cost much. |
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Re: Gutshot and over(s?)
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With 15 outs, I raise the turn here unless I am certain of getting re-raised. Raising the turn allows him to fold occasionally, and also gives you a free showdown a good portion of the time, so it doesn't cost much. [/ QUOTE ] I think a turn raise would be spewing. A flop 3-bet + turn bet tells me Villain has a hand most of the time, and a typical 2-4 player just doesn't fold very often in this situation. We don't have anything to go to showdown with, so I call the turn and fold the river UI. It wouldn't be particularly expensive to raise, all things considered, but I don't think we have a +EV situation here. |
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Re: Gutshot and over(s?)
Raising the turn here isn't a great idea, in my opinion, because the flop three-bettor is pretty unlikely to fold here. The free showdown effect is not important here because our hand doesn't have showdown value anyway (we're clearly not calling a river bet if we miss; the only value for a free showdown comes when we hit a K or something and want to show that down, but that will happen less than 10% of the time).
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#9
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Re: Gutshot and over(s?)
Fold preflop - but it looks good postflop.
EDIT: Wow...UTG didn't raise preflop? I was sure he did. Obviously it's a call then. Nice hand. Will |
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Re: Gutshot and over(s?)
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Never fold preflop - but it looks good postflop. Will [/ QUOTE ] FYP |
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