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11-18-2005, 03:19 PM
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Re: Catholics less nutty than Protestants: more evidence
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This is partly true because the modern hierarchy has been screwing around with doctrinal matters for 40 years to appease Protestants and other religions. All to their own integral demise. [/ QUOTE ] Note to others: Peter666 belongs to a sect of catholicism not in full communion with Rome. Thus this viewpoint. pro multis what?? 
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11-18-2005, 08:38 PM
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Re: Catholics less nutty than Protestants: more evidence
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To be in full communion with modern Rome is not to be in full communion with Catholicism. Excuse me while I go to read "Ut Unum Sint" for my daily laugh. [/ QUOTE ] Peter, if you could explain the difference between you, and say, Luther, I'd love to hear it. People have left the Church for the last 1,000 years by insisting that a version of Christianity (or in your case, Catholocism) is spiritually, scripturally or dogmatcially correct. These folks are known as "Schismatics." Regrettably, schismatics no longer belong to the same Church Christ instructed St. Peter to found which is currently sheparded by his 265th successor, Pope Benedict XVI.
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11-18-2005, 08:54 PM
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Re: Catholics less nutty than Protestants: more evidence
My position is simply that there are certain members of the current Church hierarchy who are heretics or suspects of heresy. I would include the late JP II in the latter group but not the current Pope.
Unlike a schismatic, I fully acknowledge the rightful authority of the Pope, even if he is wrong.
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11-18-2005, 11:09 PM
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Re: Catholics less nutty than Protestants: more evidence
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Unlike a schismatic, I fully acknowledge the rightful authority of the Pope, even if he is wrong. [/ QUOTE ] Acknowledgement=obedience. You can't honestly say that you and the Society of St. Pius X give that to the Holy Father. Because among other things that would mean acknowleding the validity of the "new" Mass even while taking advantage of the indult to continue yourselves to use the Tridentine. Unless of course you interpret canon law as you please and not according to the interpretation of the pope.
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11-18-2005, 11:30 PM
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Re: Catholics less nutty than Protestants: more evidence
"Acknowledgement=obedience"
That's an extremely dangerous statement. Blind obedience is never owed to a human authority. One must have reasoned obedience. And when one Pope contradicts another Pope, one must make a decision based on reason, as the authority of one Pope does not supersede the authority of another at any point in time. The Society of St. Pius X has never declared the new mass as invalid. As for Canon law, the Pope is subject to error. His final verdict cannot be overturned by any power on Earth even when wrong, but it is still not true according to the law of God.
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11-18-2005, 11:48 PM
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Re: Catholics less nutty than Protestants: more evidence
In the church, canon law primarily is about obedience and the correct way to do things. And the pope is the supreme legislator in this. Thus his canonical opinion is always right since canon law really doesn't deal with doctrinal matters.
[ QUOTE ] as the authority of one Pope does not supersede the authority of another at any point in time [/ QUOTE ] This is simply untrue. No ifs, ands or buts. The current pope has the final say in matters of canon law and liturgical practice not having to do with doctrine. His predecessors cannot bind him in that, only on doctrinal matters infallibly decreed. And Pius V's institution of the Tridentine Mass was a canonical liturgical decree. Surely you see the logical circle you put yourself in by asserting otherwise since obviously Pius V changed one form of the Mass himself into another. Thus canon law is necessarily not in error when the pope defines it to mean something not to do with doctrine, which canon law isn't about. And one of the fundamental principles of canon law is that all legislation is to be interpreted according to the mind of the legislator.
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11-19-2005, 05:22 AM
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Re: Catholics less nutty than Protestants: more evidence
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My position is simply that there are certain members of the current Church hierarchy who are heretics or suspects of heresy. I would include the late JP II in the latter group but not the current Pope. [/ QUOTE ] Not yet anyways. Pinlifter
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