Party 10/20 SH, Folding a K-high flush?

marand · #1 11-17-2005, 07:41 PM

UTG is a LAG
MP is loose and passive

Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em (6 max, 5 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG raises, MP calls, 2 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, MP calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.75 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, MP calls, Hero calls.

River: (7.75 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, MP raises, Hero ??

Preflop, flop and turn is standard for me.
What about the river?
One option would have been to bet/call the river. But if we check the river, do we fold to the raise? Or do we win 1/6 here?

Wynton · #2 11-17-2005, 07:45 PM

I would have c/r the flop and led the turn.

MicroBob · #3 11-17-2005, 08:03 PM

Me too...although I might lead out on the flop instead.

I think folding the river to two bets here is acceptable.

Spicymoose · #4 11-17-2005, 08:15 PM

On the flop you have too much equity not to pump. I go for the check raise, although bet/3-bet might be good also. Against any pair, you have 14 outs, which is almost 60% equity. Given your flop call, your turn call is ok I guess.

You should have bet the river, but given that you didn't, you absolutely must call.

Spicymoose · #5 11-17-2005, 08:17 PM

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I think folding the river to two bets here is acceptable.

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??????? We need to be good here 1 in 6. The board isn't even paired! You honestly think MP has the A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] more than 5/6 times?

Victor · #6 11-17-2005, 08:42 PM

utg may have have the a as well.

Spicymoose · #7 11-17-2005, 08:44 PM

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utg may have have the a as well.

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Yes... that is true. But considering he raised preflop, and bet every single street, I think there are plenty of other holdings for him. I still think we are good at least 1/6 of the time on the river, if not more. If UTG 3-bets, and MP caps, I would probably fold.

SinCityGuy · #8 11-17-2005, 09:05 PM

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utg may have have the a as well.

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I still think we are good at least 1/6 of the time on the river, if not more. If UTG 3-bets, and MP caps, I would probably fold.

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This is going to happen with some frequency, so you need to be good more than 1/6 of the time.

#9 11-17-2005, 09:06 PM

Tempting, but the RDF needs to be pretty high for you to call here.

brazilio · #10 11-17-2005, 09:19 PM

I donkbet the river every time. When it becomes a protected pot and UTG calls I don't think MP will raise with anything except the A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. UTG raising and MP 3-betting makes it even more clear.