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Old 11-16-2005, 05:33 PM
locutus2002 locutus2002 is offline
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Default Re: WSOP Hachem JJ Hand

No, this is the final table of the WSOP. Show me that cooperating is going to win more money.

It depends substantially on Dannenmann's range of hands to call the push. I estimate that it costs Hachem $2000 in $EV for each hand that Dannenmann has in his range above 80 hands (roughly 99-AA,AK,AQ,KQs,AJs). So if Dannenmann's range is more speculative (which I think it is) Hachem gives up:
$200,000 for a moderate range
$400,000 for a loose range

His EV is about $5.5M so Hachem gives up about ~3.5% to 7% in $EV.

Certainly you wouldn't do this in a cash game (if I ever played one)
Nor would you do this in a SNG

Can you give up 3.5% to 7% EV to have a better chance to fold up a notch in the WSOP? Very player dependent. But not a winning move.

Anyone care to see the calculations PM me they are complicated.

My basic assumptions are:

$EV using ICM
Dannenmann only calls push with AA-QQ.
Barch's Pushing range is { AA-55, AKs-ATs, KQs, AKo-AJo, KQo }
Barch's average hand contains 1 card that is an ace,king, or queen.
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Old 11-16-2005, 05:47 PM
SoloAJ SoloAJ is offline
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Default Re: WSOP Hachem JJ Hand

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My basic assumptions are:

$EV using ICM
Dannenmann only calls push with AA-QQ.
Barch's Pushing range is { AA-55, AKs-ATs, KQs, AKo-AJo, KQo }
Barch's average hand contains 1 card that is an ace,king, or queen.

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Well...apparnatly Barch's range is much more, since the move was made with A6o...So....
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Old 11-16-2005, 05:52 PM
locutus2002 locutus2002 is offline
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Default Re: WSOP Hachem JJ Hand

its much more dependent on Dannenmann's range to call the PF push.
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Old 11-17-2005, 06:17 PM
Huskiez Huskiez is offline
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Default Re: WSOP Hachem JJ Hand

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Well...apparnatly Barch's range is much more, since the move was made with A6o...So....

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Was it A6o? I thought it was As6s but I could be wrong.

If Barch's hand range is wider, that would make it more correct to play aggressively because Hachem's hand is more dominant against Barch's hand range, and softplay minimizes the chances of the best hand winning.
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