Dealer keeps showing people my cards

[Felix_Nietsche]

Most players quit asking to see hands when it is explained to them that what they are doing is rude and is accusing the player of cheating.
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According to you and tradition. Screw tradition. I want to see if they are bullying with trash or if they are legit. If that makes me unpopular with the table then that is the price I pay.

[Randy_Refeld]

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Most players quit asking to see hands when it is explained to them that what they are doing is rude and is accusing the player of cheating.
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According to you and tradition. Screw tradition. I want to see if they are bullying with trash or if they are legit. If that makes me unpopular with the table then that is the price I pay.

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Also you have to realize that if an experienced floorman sees (or is told by a delaer or a player) what is going on you will lose the priviledge of over asking.

[Al_Capone_Junior]

As an extrapolation here, a great defense against this kind of rudeness is to alert the floor right away that the "IWTSTH" rule is being abused/overused and get them to put a stop to it before the unpleasantness ruins a perfectly good game.

al

[Randy_Refeld]

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As an extrapolation here, a great defense against this kind of rudeness is to alert the floor right away that the "IWTSTH" rule is being abused/overused and get them to put a stop to it before the unpleasantness ruins a perfectly good game.

al

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Many rooms have a rule on the books that in high limit games the floorman must be present when the dealer turns up the hand. edit: That is the floor has ot be there when someone wants to see someone else's cards.

[AKQJ10]

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If that makes me unpopular with the table then that is the price I pay.

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Well, you don't understand poker if you think popularity at the table is independent of your EV in dollars. Granted, the higher the stakes the less popularity matters, I'm sure. Also the less likely the floor is to let you get away with this.

Now, my experience is that at low limits you're more likely to be unpopular by enforcing this rule than by breaking it but YMMV.

[Felix_Nietsche]

Well, you don't understand poker if you think popularity at the table is independent of your EV in dollars.
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OK, you have PARTIALLY persuaded me.
For producers I won't ask. For tough players trying to run over me then I will ask so I can understand how they play their hands. If they get ticked then I suppose I won't get a XMas card from them this year.

[wonderwes]

This thread proves no matter where in the country we play, there is always some middle aged donk making the game a bitch for everyone else.

[Al_Capone_Junior]

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Most players quit asking to see hands when it is explained to them that what they are doing is rude and is accusing the player of cheating.
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According to you and tradition. Screw tradition. I want to see if they are bullying with trash or if they are legit. If that makes me unpopular with the table then that is the price I pay.

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I absolutely guarantee you with ZERO doubt whatsoever that the first time you ask to see my hand, I get MUCH tougher when playing against you in the future. I also guarantee with ZERO doubt that if you keep doing this that almost everyone who is the victim of your rudeness will do exactly the same thing, no matter how fishy they might be. Therefore any small EV you might gain by "getting a looksie" will be FAR MORE THAN OFFSET by the fact that everyone will not only play harder and smarter against you, but will likely start pulling the same bullcrap on YOU.

I also guarantee that if someone does this to me twice, or even pulls it at the table I'm at twice, that I will probably start asking to see EVERY ONE of their hands, but won't ask to see anyone else's (who isn't being rude and abusive) AT ALL. I might even suggest that the rest of the table do the same thing, try to get a bandwagon effect going. If you're going to press the point that being abusive and rude is "within the rules," then heck, I guess having it go both ways is within the rules too.

But of course it's up to you, you make your own bed, you can lie in it.

al

[KenProspero]

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I absolutely guarantee you with ZERO doubt whatsoever that the first time you ask to see my hand, I get MUCH tougher when playing against you in the future.

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I agree with most of what Al wrote, but I'm a bit more lax than he is (I probably play in lower limit games with more noobs).

First time someone asks to see my cards in a session -- is a free pass. I shrug it off.

Second time -- I ask if they think I'm cheating, and explain that they're abusing the rule and making a serious ettiquite breach.

Third time -- I'm with Al completely. I'm asking to see their cards every time. If they make a borderline string bet, I'll call em on it to the dealer. Though I won't angle-shoot , we'll be playing strictly by the rules.

I know that I can do this without going on tilt, and hope the a-hole can't.

What about for someone that always shows down like I do. I dont think I have ever mucked a hand. Hell, half the time I cant even remember who is supposed to show down first.