Brick and Mortar Easy?

[Kurn, son of Mogh]

B&M games tend to be softer because:

1) Easier to profile your opponents (tells & telegraphs). More time to observe and more things to observe.

2) More tourists and inexperienced players ("I'm bored of blackjack, let's try poker")

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B&M games tend to be softer because:

1) Easier to profile your opponents (tells & telegraphs). More time to observe and more things to observe.

2) More tourists and inexperienced players ("I'm bored of blackjack, let's try poker")

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you guys keep saying easier to get tells in person which i agree with... but i do find online it's simple to figure out someone's VPIP really fast whereas bricks'n'mortar it takes alot of concentration (good eyesight too) and in an hour the table can change alot (in an hour online you've played way more hands and hopefully taken advantage more of the soft players).

this might be a more a symptom but online the preflop % is much lower......... and i just think all the rest is somewhat immaterial compared to that.

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...1) Easier to profile your opponents (tells & telegraphs). More time to observe and more things to observe....

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I'd be interested in hearing you expand on this.

[ThinkQuick]

I am not convinced that more tourists and inexperienced players play B&M poker than online poker.

The thugs and grandpas may not deposit online, but I think that the majority of inexperienced B&M players nowadays are younger kids who have seen poker on tv and are playing hold'em a lot with their friends. these guys do play online, and there's lots of them.

The poker explosion, including ads for online sites featured regularly on tv, has also allowed inexperienced players that are disinterested in live play for whatever reason to play lots of online poker. I'm imagining middle aged guys too embarassed or busy to go to the casino, people like my mom who play the blackjack slot machine because she's afraid someone will yell at her at a blackjack table, or people who live too damn far away from B&Ms. These people suck, but you'll never find them at your casino.

Arguments?

[tippy]

Many poker players are simply there to have a good time. They come in for a weekend and like to gamble, drink and eat and basically act like high rollers. The same guy who plays 10-20 online comes to the casino, but unlike playing online, he decides to stay up all night,he decides to have drinks, he decides to watch the waitresses and most important of all, after doing all this he just can't stand the boredom of only playing 30 hands per hour and therefore his game goes downhill. He becomes anxious and lowers his standards, which in turn puts him in unfamiliar territory and out of his comfort zone. After loosening his PF standards he now is confronted by many, many more Postflop decisions that he doesn't normally encounter and therefore makes alot more mistakes whihc the regular BM player catches.

BM requires adjustments that some Online players just can't (or don't want) to make..

[Kurn, son of Mogh]

Uh, you can't see your opponent's hand shake online. More time to watch behavior during the hand. When you're about to bet your unimproved AK on the river after a flush draw missed, you can see your opponent picking up his chips to call and just check intead of betting.

[AaronBrown]

I think it's dangerous to reason from the average skills of the opponents. It's true there are more bad players at a casino than online (Poker cardrooms have fewer bad players than casinos), but there are some very good players who want that money. Think about horse racing, the average bettor at the track is picking based on names or hunches or some silly system, but that doesn't mean it's easy to win, there are serious handicappers who grab the good bets. You don't have to beat the average bettor to win, you have to beat the best ones.

Casino poker takes different skills. One of the most important was already mentioned, telling the good players from the bad ones and staying away from the good (that's if you want easy money rather than the best Poker). Another is guarding against your own tells, and not getting suckered by other people's false tells. You need much better observation and memory skills, and it helps to be able to read people.

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Uh, you can't see your opponent's hand shake online. More time to watch behavior during the hand. When you're about to bet your unimproved AK on the river after a flush draw missed, you can see your opponent picking up his chips to call and just check intead of betting.

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Oh come on that holding the chips to prevent you from betting is the oldest reverse tell in the book : )

[ThinkQuick]

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Uh, you can't see your opponent's hand shake online. More time to watch behavior during the hand. When you're about to bet your unimproved AK on the river after a flush draw missed, you can see your opponent picking up his chips to call and just check intead of betting.

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Oh come on that holding the chips to prevent you from betting is the oldest reverse tell in the book : )

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Haha. indeed it is!
"look, I have chips, DON'T BET INTO ME"

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<font color="red"> Uh, you can't see your opponent's hand shake online. More time to watch behavior during the hand. When you're about to bet your unimproved AK on the river after a flush draw missed, you can see your opponent picking up his chips to call and just check intead of betting.

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Oh come on that holding the chips to prevent you from betting is the oldest reverse tell in the book : )

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Haha. indeed it is!
"look, I have chips, DON'T BET INTO ME"


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I ignored him when he posted <font color="red">that</font> one. I was hoping he’d just go away.