Black's 2 donkey plays

[hurley412]

if barch folds JJ everyone would be saying it was a great play but because barch calls its a donkey play.

[teddyFBI]

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if barch folds JJ everyone would be saying it was a great play but because barch calls its a donkey play.

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Um, there was a UTG raise, 1 call, and then Black called. He does not make that play w/ QQ-AA. Easy call by Tex. (says someone who has never played for that much money

smoothing calling a raiser and a caller... and then re-raising a lp re-raiser all-in...wow, that's almost as terrible as my writing ability...

black=donk

Here's an interview done with Black by an Irish poker info site after tenth place got knocked out. He explains his reasoning behind the KJ hand.

http://devore.typepad.com/wsop_lates...s/EXMIC008.MP3

[MLG]

thats a pretty damn cool interview.

[gergery]

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if barch folds JJ everyone would be saying it was a great play but because barch calls its a donkey play.

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Um, there was a UTG raise, 1 call, and then Black called. He does not make that play w/ QQ-AA. Easy call by Tex. (says someone who has never played for that much money

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That's only because you knew his hand. Barch knew that Matusow was raising light, and knew neither of the first 2 callers had great hands or they would have raised. So a good player in that spot will sometimes raise with any two cards, because he knows that anyone who wants to play with him has to put their whole stack at risk (or half their stack in Blacks case).

Black knew this and therefore put Barch on wider range of hands, and was re-stealing. Fairly standard play. Whether it was a good play or not depends on how Barch was playing, their images of each other, etc. But it is well within the possibility of being a good play.

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if barch folds JJ everyone would be saying it was a great play but because barch calls its a donkey play.

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Um, there was a UTG raise, 1 call, and then Black called. He does not make that play w/ QQ-AA. Easy call by Tex. (says someone who has never played for that much money

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That's only because you knew his hand. Barch knew that Matusow was raising light, and knew neither of the first 2 callers had great hands or they would have raised. So a good player in that spot will sometimes raise with any two cards, because he knows that anyone who wants to play with him has to put their whole stack at risk (or half their stack in Blacks case).

Black knew this and therefore put Barch on wider range of hands, and was re-stealing. Fairly standard play. Whether it was a good play or not depends on how Barch was playing, their images of each other, etc. But it is well within the possibility of being a good play.

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Why would Barch make a squeeze play with 4 other players in the hand? If he had a medium pair Barch would have just called for set value. But thinking he is on a steal here is very wishful thinking.

[Daliman]

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So a good player in that spot will sometimes raise with any two cards, because he knows that anyone who wants to play with him has to put their whole stack at risk (or half their stack in Blacks case).

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RIIIIIIIIIIGGGHHHHTTTTTTT. Name ONCE you have ever seen this play b4. just ONCE.

[gergery]

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So a good player in that spot will sometimes raise with any two cards, because he knows that anyone who wants to play with him has to put their whole stack at risk (or half their stack in Blacks case).

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RIIIIIIIIIIGGGHHHHTTTTTTT. Name ONCE you have ever seen this play b4. just ONCE.

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Harrington in last year's WSOP did it to Arieh and Raymer, as seen on TV. And it happens all the freakin time online (ever seen Dr. Gammon play?)

I'm not saying he's doing it with pure trash, but hands like AJs-AT/KQ/99-77 are very possible raise-fold-to-reraise hands here and potentially much wider depending on table dynamics.



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[Daliman]

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So a good player in that spot will sometimes raise with any two cards, because he knows that anyone who wants to play with him has to put their whole stack at risk (or half their stack in Blacks case).

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RIIIIIIIIIIGGGHHHHTTTTTTT. Name ONCE you have ever seen this play b4. just ONCE.

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Harrington in last year's WSOP did it to Arieh and Raymer, as seen on TV. And it happens all the freakin time online (ever seen Dr. Gammon play?)

I'm not saying he's doing it with pure trash, but hands like AJs-AT/KQ/99-77 are very possible raise-fold-to-reraise hands here and potentially much wider depending on table dynamics.



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1. I figured you'd mention Harrington's play, and It's not the same. This was raise/call/call/CALLABLE raise, at the bubble, with only one very obvious LAG in the hand. The bubble works both ways, guys, and many of you seem to be forgetting that. His raise will usually denote he has a very strong hand since there is such a big risk being taken, which Black should have factored. This isn't a Sit and Go where you can just buy into a new tourney where 7.5 mil is up for grabs. His "allin or nothing statement" was a dead giveaway, too. If Black was the player with AKd vs Dannenman's 99 one the T92dd flop, that $$$ is in there, figuring, "well, I have 2 overs and the nut flush draw." AB seems like a skilled player, but this was just big stack bullying gone horribly wrong, period.

Oh, and Dr. Gammon? Well, if you consider playing about 300 SNG's with him seeing him play, then yes, I have seen him play. I defy you to find a single hand remotely similar to this from Dr. Gammon. There is a big difference between raising or reraising with nothing and reraising callable after a UTG raise and 2 cold calls. You would do well to learn this difference.

The only player who makes plays CLOSE to this online that I am familiar with is Gigabet, and even this would be out there for him to bluff.