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I wonder who the SB is in this hand. I play in that game regularly and if he's the moron who usually checks calls while standing pat then you should definietly not draw. [/ QUOTE ] I think this sort of read is really necessary, if you're going to claim standing was right. It takes a very special kind of idiot to c/c and stand into three players with something worse than #34. |
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[ QUOTE ] I wonder who the SB is in this hand. I play in that game regularly and if he's the moron who usually checks calls while standing pat then you should definietly not draw. [/ QUOTE ] I think this sort of read is really necessary, if you're going to claim standing was right. It takes a very special kind of idiot to c/c and stand into three players with something worse than #34. [/ QUOTE ] What hands are good to check/call and stand pat with in a 4 way pot. Well, that's a terrible way to play any hand. Still, I think you'd have to be massively bad to do that with an 8. It's not exactly the most subtle read in this situation. |
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What hands are good to check/call and stand pat with in a 4 way pot. Well, that's a terrible way to play any hand. Still, I think you'd have to be massively bad to do that with an 8. It's not exactly the most subtle read in this situation. [/ QUOTE ] The problem is, there's no unbreakable worse 9 that's particularly believable here, unless you're willing to believe SB is going to three-bet and draw one with something like 8754. Those players aren't very common. In contrast I see players take this line with 8xxx3 all the time. Similarly, standing into multiple players with 98xx3 or 98xx2 is pretty uncommon. Just about everyone draws at those. I agree that you have to be very bad to take the check-call and stand line at all. But the common very bad player is nearly always doing this with an 8. |
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Yeah, fwiw he's the only regular in that game against whom I would stand pat here. He plays such unbelieveably horrendous 2-7, like, I just can't say enough about it. He's decent in the other games but he'll definietly checkcall oop against 2+ players and then stand pat with a crappy T or 9 justifying it by saying "well, if i draw i have to draw 3." He would be worth it if the game was only triple draw but he doesn't give enough action in the other games to justify him being a huge pain in the ass.
I should make it clear that standing there is almost never correct of course. |
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Nobody likes raising with the 8432x after one draw? That seems like a pure value raise 4 ways but my math isn't the best. I am still in shock I didn't win this hand, sounds like I had a monster draw [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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I think raising is probably the best move. Not only for value, but for the small possibility that you can buy the button or break a weak pat hand.
This is one of those spots that I'm usually aggressive that I don't think you lose a ton by being passive. It does make later decisions easier when you're drawing dead though. |
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Nobody likes raising with the 8432x after one draw? That seems like a pure value raise 4 ways but my math isn't the best. I am still in shock I didn't win this hand, sounds like I had a monster draw [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] -DeathDonkey [/ QUOTE ] DD, You know what... I probably screwed up the action on those earlier streets, to be honest. From my point of view that does look like an obvious value raise. So I imagine something else happened. In retrospect, what I think happened was that after the first draw I double-bricked and drew 2 cards again, and picked up the 9 and the 8. I then bet when checked to after the first draw. I agree though that that's a pretty standard value raise there. I think you claimed to be drawing to a 7 ... |
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I think you claimed to be drawing to a 7 ... [/ QUOTE ] I lie so frequently about my hands at the tables that its like I'm not even lying anymore - I was probably drawing dead. -DeathDonkey |
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