BB hand makes me feel like when I climb the rope in the gym class

jskills · #1 11-07-2005, 12:23 AM

After hands like this, I invariably find myself looking at how much more I could have made or how much I really didn't need to lose.

Villan is a calling station type. 25/2/0.15 over 40 hands or so.

I realize this hand involves a very small pot, but I think repeating situations like this over and over can contribute to a leak if not played correctly.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, MP2 calls, 3 folds, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (4 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 folds, MP2 calls, SB folds.

Turn: (3 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero ?

What's the plan for the turn and river here?

Alex/Mugaaz · #2 11-07-2005, 12:25 AM

Bet?

toss · #3 11-07-2005, 12:25 AM

I bet against the calling station type. Muck to a raise of course.

JacksonTens · #4 11-07-2005, 12:30 AM

Bet. Check river.

However I would have checked the flop. c/r or folding depending.

JT [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Nick C · #5 11-07-2005, 12:36 AM

Well, Villain doesn't seem especially loose preflop, so being out of position with TPNK on this highly coordinated broadway board isn't much fun.

I guess I would bet-fold, hoping I'm up against a hand like QT, JT or AJ. What's frustrating is that even though Villain is passive, he may find a raise with QJ, and against that hand, I'd have the odds to draw. But I don't think we can call a raise, since often we'll have very few outs (and sometimes we'll be drawing dead).

If you just get called, the river is going to be uncomfortable too. If you check-fold, you may save a bet (and win anyway when Villain checks his worse hands behind). But if you bet-fold on a river blank, how often will Villain have a worse hand when he calls? I'm not sure.

jskills · #6 11-07-2005, 10:05 AM

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Well, Villain doesn't seem especially loose preflop, so being out of position with TPNK on this highly coordinated broadway board isn't much fun.

I guess I would bet-fold, hoping I'm up against a hand like QT, JT or AJ. What's frustrating is that even though Villain is passive, he may find a raise with QJ, and against that hand, I'd have the odds to draw. But I don't think we can call a raise, since often we'll have very few outs (and sometimes we'll be drawing dead).

If you just get called, the river is going to be uncomfortable too. If you check-fold, you may save a bet (and win anyway when Villain checks his worse hands behind). But if you bet-fold on a river blank, how often will Villain have a worse hand when he calls? I'm not sure.

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Nick - this is perfect analysis. I ended up betting the turn and not surprisingly, he called. I'm putting him on a Q or a K that's got to be better than mine.

And then the river was uncomfortable. I eneded up check / calling. Essentially, many calling stations play almost every hand WA/WB without knowing they're doing it.

toss · #7 11-07-2005, 10:56 AM

I'd check/fold the river. With villain's stats I don't think you'd have to worry about him betting a worse hand. Then again sample size may be too small.

#8 11-07-2005, 12:13 PM

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I'd check/fold the river. With villain's stats I don't think you'd have to worry about him betting a worse hand. Then again sample size may be too small.

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I find that lots of these passive types pretty much auto bet when checked to on river with any piece. However, i think the river, ie if your kicker plays, is kindof important here.

crunchy1 · #9 11-07-2005, 12:15 PM

I really don't understand the comments above. Why are we advocating checking - or even worse check/folding against a calling station, HU with top pair. This is ludicrous.

Bet the turn, if he raises it's an easy fold. Bet the river for value - there's no reason to check here (i.e. we're not going to try an induce a bluff from a player with a .15 AF).

krimson · #10 11-07-2005, 12:38 PM

I bet every street and fold if raised. c/c'ing the river is -ev in my opinion, he's rarely bluffing when checked to so your just putting in bets while behind and missing a bet when ahead. None the less I don't dislike my hand so much that I would c/f, even a passive played could bet a Q I think.