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11-05-2005, 06:33 PM
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Re: How can randomness possibly exist?
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Who said free will is random? I make my own decisions, but I always have a reason for them. [/ QUOTE ] If our future is predetermined (which I believe it is), there is no free will. If nothing is random, then our future has already been determined. 
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11-05-2005, 06:34 PM
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Re: How can randomness possibly exist?
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[ QUOTE ] Who said free will is random? I make my own decisions, but I always have a reason for them. [/ QUOTE ] If our future is predetermined (which I believe it is), there is no free will. If nothing is random, then our future has already been determined. [/ QUOTE ] how could randomness change anything about free will? chez
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11-05-2005, 06:38 PM
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Re: How can randomness possibly exist?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Who said free will is random? I make my own decisions, but I always have a reason for them. [/ QUOTE ] If our future is predetermined (which I believe it is), there is no free will. If nothing is random, then our future has already been determined. [/ QUOTE ] how could randomness change anything about free will? chez [/ QUOTE ] If randomness exists, then our future has not been predetermined. Again, free will was NOT the point of my OP.
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11-05-2005, 06:43 PM
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Re: How can randomness possibly exist?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Who said free will is random? I make my own decisions, but I always have a reason for them. [/ QUOTE ] If our future is predetermined (which I believe it is), there is no free will. If nothing is random, then our future has already been determined. [/ QUOTE ] how could randomness change anything about free will? chez [/ QUOTE ] If randomness exists, then our future has not been predetermined. Again, free will was NOT the point of my OP. [/ QUOTE ] Sorry if I'm in the wrong thread but the lack of predetermination doesn't help with free-will. If stuff happens at random then its not am atter of will at all. Back OT, the existence of randomness is a metaphysical question, we have no way of telling if things happen at random or not. chez
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11-05-2005, 06:51 PM
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Re: How can randomness possibly exist?
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Sorry if I'm in the wrong thread but the lack of predetermination doesn't help with free-will. If stuff happens at random then its not am atter of will at all. [/ QUOTE ] I am saying that free will cannot exist if our futures have aleady been determined. I never implied that the converse is true. [ QUOTE ] Back OT, the existence of randomness is a metaphysical question, we have no way of telling if things happen at random or not. [/ QUOTE ] Do you have any evidence to support this claim? It seems to me that this is purely an issue of scientific advancements. Maybe I don't understand what you mean by metaphysical, but it sounds like you are trying to turn this into a philisophical question when it is purely a scientific questin.
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11-05-2005, 06:58 PM
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Re: How can randomness possibly exist?
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[ QUOTE ] Sorry if I'm in the wrong thread but the lack of predetermination doesn't help with free-will. If stuff happens at random then its not am atter of will at all. [/ QUOTE ] I am saying that free will cannot exist if our futures have aleady been determined. I never implied that the converse is true. [ QUOTE ] Back OT, the existence of randomness is a metaphysical question, we have no way of telling if things happen at random or not. [/ QUOTE ] Do you have any evidence to support this claim? It seems to me that this is purely an issue of scientific advancements. Maybe I don't understand what you mean by metaphysical, but it sounds like you are trying to turn this into a philisophical question when it is purely a scientific questin. [/ QUOTE ] No, there's no scientific experiment that could prove that things happen by random. Suppose an experiment that provides evidence of randomness. Now suppose that the universe is a simulation running on a deterministic computer that uses a randomising algorithm. There is no way to distinguish the two. chez
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