5/10 SH party QQ in BB

[sapster]

Just sat down, QQ in bb no spades. UTG limps sb limps i make it 40, both call. J89 2 spades, sb leads for 150, my play?

[mgsimpleton]

uh. all in?

Reraise PF. Reads would help.

[edge]

I probably go for 500, but all-in is basically the same thing.

[sapster]

Made it 475 pushed turn, glad to see I'm not going crazy as I was second guessing myself, running bad will do that. He had 89.

[RED FACE]

If I'm sb here I'm not overbetting the pot leading into pfr and vs 2 opponents w 1 pair oop but I don't play this high so my ABC poker may be no good here. I'd have a draw or 2pair+.

Is calling too weak? You do have position but calling wont help you play the turn I reckon. At least if you're against a draw and the turn totally bricks you can bet/push w a little more confidence.

If you push flop, a 12+out draw shouldn't be folding, right?

Is folding waaaayyyy too tight?

edit: didn't notice it was SH.

[lapoker17]

If SB is any good at all, I'm not raising here. This flop sucks for us.

[sapster]

In my opinion folding is better than calling. I agree it sucks for us, but getting outplayed by a worse hand would be terrible here the pot is already 250 ad i have less than 1k behind, with no reads do you think this is foldable?

[AnyutaDva]

I hate this coup. If you get big money in you can't be in good shape unless the SB is a donk massively overplaying AJ. If you raise the flop and he is happy to indulge in a betting competition you are either up against a combination hand that is going to have lots of outs, or you are going to be behind, potentially a long way behind. If you call on the flop an offsuit ten is a good card for you, but what else do you really want to see? Depending on how I'm feeling I may well ditch this, or I flat call and just delay the difficult decision until he bets the turn, I guess if you are lucky he is a weak player who will check the turn. Do you really lose a lot of equity by folding marginal made hands against unknowns or strong players on co-ordinated boards where you are deep enough for there to be action on all streets? I don't know.

[lapoker17]

What those who say raise are implying is that they're somehow positive SB is leading into you on a draw. How they know this, I have no idea, but apparently they do. If they think he has AJ, then they want you to raise him off one of the few made hands we can make money from. I await elaboration.