Dealers most hated and stiff report

I swing both ways. If someone does a good job, I'll seriously over tip them. You dont see this much at a poker table since there really is a limit of how much a dealer can do. But if a dealer is effecient, in control and the game runs smoothly, thats worth a buck when I take down a pot.

Waiters and cocktail waitresses get good tips from me. For a cocktail waitress in a casino, try tipping her a few bucks or maybe even (GASP) a 5. I promise you wont be waiting for a drink again. A few months ago I was playing craps in AC. I tipped my waitress a red on my first drink. Every time she came back to the table she would bring another drink. Half the time I didnt even see her. When I did, I'd tip her a buck or two, but I set the stage and got the best cocktail service of any casino visit I had ever had. So now, thats my standard - a $5 on the first round and a buck or two after.

Part of the problem with tipping is that in some places (Foxwoods for example) dealer tips are pooled... so the douchebag that just screwed up the last 10 hands is getting the same amount as the hot blonde who ran a smooth game, was charming and generally made for a good time. That just sucks. I think sharing tips is stupid.

[accountant71]

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Its actually called self defense - which is perfectly legal and acceptable.

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If your "laws" allow people to kill each other beacuse of someone spitting on you, I can only say wow and feel sorry for you in such a lawless place.

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You dont feel sorry for us. You feel jealous of us because you cant get a passport to come here. United States is the number country in the world and its because we dont let goofballs in here. God bless America.

[accountant71]

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Ok - well, that wasnt me so dont hang that one on me. That being said - you are a cheap bastard if you dont tip... and I would highly recommend not spitting on people here in the US. It wont end well for you.

Come to think of it, I wouldnt recommend not tipping here in the US either. Ive seen coctail waitresses doctor drinks before... a little visine does nasty things to one's digestive tract.

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And americans wonder why the rest of the world do not like you? *LOL*

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We dont want the rest of the world to like. Just fear us. Mission accomplished. God bless America.

[MyMindIsGoing]

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Just fear us. Mission accomplished. God bless America.

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I do not fear you, terrorists or the bird flu.

[MyMindIsGoing]

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You feel jealous of us because you cant get a passport to come here.

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Actually I can, no problem at all.

[accountant71]

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You feel jealous of us because you cant get a passport to come here.

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Actually I can, no problem at all.

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Keep telling yourself that.

[bigfishead]

Ok we got a bunch of idiots here in this thread that actually think a monkey can deal. While most of you coudnt deal yourselves out of a paper bag.

This is going to be very very long but maybe it'll get 1-2 of you numbskulls to have a little respect for dealers.

Firstly, 20+ yrs ago there wasnt a decent sized game ANYWHERE in LV or CALIFORNIA that you could beat. EVER!!!...I mean EVER BEAT. Why? Because Games were handled (I dont mean baby limits) in one of two ways. 1. Self dealt by the players with a regular time collector that came around every 1/2 hr. Whats this equal? THIEVES dealing the games. And fully over 50% of the time the management & floorpeople were involved!! 2. When they did have dealers in the box in higher limit games, they were freaking MECHANICS!! Or...as was often done, you had 6 guys sitting on 6-7 cushions so they could get high enuf to see the painted decks!!! Where'd those come in from? MANAGEMENT!!

In the early 80's a partner/owner in a cardroom whom was also previously known as one of these thieves, was involved in creating the "California Cardroom Assn" Maybe he had a life changing experience hell I dunno. But this assn was HIGHLY involved in cleaning up the BUSINESS of poker. Soon you had dealers that were not thieves and were in fact taught things to watch out for to protect the game. The SOLE JOB of a dealer is to PROTECT THE PLAYERS AND THE INTEGRITY OF THE GAME. Thats it. WE(yes I am one) are supposed to be there to protect your freaking money!!

Nowadays there are many good staffs in the business. Some from the old days that understand this aspect well.

There are also many dealers and floor staffs that have no clue of the above mentioned.

here's a few long ass storys of things within the last 6 months at Bellagio that I have had to deal with yet was never "rewarded" in any way other than the $6.15hr I make in wages.

$300-600 (maybe higher cant remember but you get the drift) 2-7 Lowball. 5 mins before I push into this game I hear the dealer from it call for a setup and see him get one. Now I go into the game. Within 5 mins, I see a card with a fingernail mark come into the muck. I pull it aside, call for a setup, finish the hand, card still face down, floor comes with a setup but looks funny at me as I say "out of action", meaning this deck is no good. Hand over, floor looking over my shoulder, I say..."is it a deuce"? flip it over, sure enuf it's a 2. I break it, tell the floor "it got nailed", loud enuf for the table to hear me.

I inspect the new deck, (remember we have shufflemasters) stick green deack in machine, inspect 2nd deck, stick brn deck in machine, deal green deck. TWO HANDS LATER when I deal the green deck for only the 2nd time, I see a nail mark in a card AS I PITCH IT! Light caught it just right for me to catch this in-air. I call for a setup "out of action!!" Pull the card asside when the player mucks after missing on all 3 draws, the players are whining and screaming at my about "were paying time here" wtf is wrong now?" Floor comes over, I say, "gee think this is a deuce?" sure enuf when I flip it over it's a deuce. Now a little louder I tell the floor someone is nailing deuces. Nobody seems to give a shilt that I am protecting this game. How much did I make? $3 bucks for 1/2 hr down.

Johnny Chan is not, I repeat NOT known for tipping. He IS known for being a major heartache to dealers. I have dealt to him no less than 30 downs in the last 6 months and have not recd more than $5 bucks TOTAL from him. yet let me tell you he has jumped all over my ass when I called for a setup in the big game (they are normally replaced ONLY on the hour) after seeing a bad mark on a card. And after he said "dealer wtf are you doing?" I told him "bad card" he stfu but never replied in any sort of kind manner or in a greatful manner for protecting the game.

Or the time when the first pot was a time pot and the winner was on his cell phone and I didnt interrupt him for the 20 mnutes he was on the cell phone to collect the time, and Johnny jumps my shizzle again. But I calmly reply, Johnny I didnt feel it was polite to interrupt him while on the phone just to collect time. Johnny then stfu and walked till I was gone.

Or what about the time I see two guys playing opposite ends of the table in a red chip game. I catch something unusual in motions (casual motions actually but repeated) and tell a floor person you may want to put a camera on those two. Yep they were soon told they were welcom to play but not at the same tables. Hmmm havent seen them in a while. Was I protecting YOUR game?

or just last nite....$200 a point Chinese Poker. 4 handed. Floor tells me to collect $8 per player for time and get $5 per for myself. (This is standard for this game) So the guy that wins the most in the first hand gives me $50 bux, says "drop $32, give me $5 back, keep $13 for yourself. Not what they were told, and I dont say anything. BUT>>> 3 hrs later, lucky me, I get re-routed back into this game. Now it's 5 handed. So diff guy wins the timepot and I tell him $45 for time, $20 for me, $65 total. Holy crimany he goes apeshit. I point out the placard on the table that says $8 bucks per player. i call the floor but they arent paying attn and I'm being called every mfer in the book so when one guy says "jesus christ we've been here all nite dealer we tip you so you shouldnt care" I respond with a admittedly smart-assed comment, "why should I give you a break, you didnt toke me what you were supposed to last time I went thru here" Finally I just told them " I dont care, dont pay the rake, dont toke me, I really dont care. it aint gonna make me or the Bellagio rich." So the guy throws me $30 bucks, says "drop that" and throws me $15 bucks and says "thats for you". I say ty and carry on dealing. HOWEVER....15 mins later..."tilt-o-whirl" grabs my preset dealt deck (in chinese we deal out the next hand while they set the first, but they are left in front of the box till current hand is over) and scrambles em for the THIRD time!! The first 2 times I never said anything just looked at him and redealt. This time I dont even move to redeal for at least 30 seconds. Now he's calling me a mother fuka and everything else. This is too far...I tell him loudly..."hey...I aint here to be your mf'er, or called a mf'er. I just deal. I'm just the mailman I dont write the mail, I deliver it". You know that the other players were trying to say I was outta line? And 1 went to the shift supervisor on the side. After my down, I told him everything, and he told me not to worry about it. I wasnt out of line, he'd handle it.

Fantastic thing happens every year up at Lucky Chances near SF, Cal. They have 1 tournament each shift for the staff. the winner gets an netry and hotel into a major tournament. It gets dealt by PLAYERS!! They make an effort to also get the players that give the dealers the most gruff to deal. And the ones that are the most indignant towards dealers. USUALLY, within 15 minutes of a down these players have made 12-15 errors and while they are never ridiculed by the dealers, they are joked with, and the player/dealer is now gaining a respect for the dealers. I suggest doing this ANYWHERE it's ok with the local gaming commision/office. A fantastic new respect comes from players just like those that posted here in this thread.

I could give many more stories like the ones above. If you DONT want dealers protecting your game, just keep stiffing them and treating them like crap. We'll all leave the business soon enough for you to go broke then.

I'm off my soapbox and high horse now. Gotta get ready for work...killed my pre-work naptime for this!!

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FWIW, you sound like an excellent dealer.

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Even a moran can post clean links. Don't be a [censored] idiot.

[Ulysses]

Too bad you don't know the law, steve.

Yes, the spitting and card-throwing are indeed assault, and you could press charges on him for that.

However, what you did was not a reasonable reaction to your perceived threat, and you would surely have been found guilty of assault and punished far more severely than him had he had decent advice or counsel. The fact that you calmly took the time to lock your chips up before beating up this guy almost guarantees that you would be found guilty.

You got very lucky that he didn't know the law either.