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#12
10-24-2005, 10:16 PM
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Re: WSOP Circuit hand
[ QUOTE ] You were a 4-1 dog against JJ and you were getting slightly better than 2-1 pot odds. I still think you have to call at this point. JJ was certainly a possible hand. [/ QUOTE ] Wouldn't you think the question here is does this player make this bet from behind knowing he's going to get called? BB has already indicated some willingness to play, Hero says I've got a hand. I sometimes make the mistake of overplaying a flush draw into strength, but not often, and it's usually a check/raise. Also, I don't understand why you say he has to call as a 4 to 1 dog here. Is it because he doesn't know he's that big a dog? -D. 
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#13
10-24-2005, 10:23 PM
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Re: WSOP Circuit hand
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[ QUOTE ] You were a 4-1 dog against JJ and you were getting slightly better than 2-1 pot odds. I still think you have to call at this point. JJ was certainly a possible hand. [/ QUOTE ] Wouldn't you think the question here is does this player make this bet from behind knowing he's going to get called? BB has already indicated some willingness to play, Hero says I've got a hand. I sometimes make the mistake of overplaying a flush draw into strength, but not often, and it's usually a check/raise. Also, I don't understand why you say he has to call as a 4 to 1 dog here. Is it because he doesn't know he's that big a dog? -D. [/ QUOTE ] Yes. JJ is in the range of hands we could put the villian on, so we don't know for sure that we're that far behind. BTW, even w/JJ, facing a bet and a raise, what does everyone think of Villian's push here? I may lay JJ down in his spot...
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#15
10-24-2005, 11:12 PM
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Re: WSOP Circuit hand
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BTW, even w/JJ, facing a bet and a raise, what does everyone think of Villian's push here? I may lay JJ down in his spot... [/ QUOTE ] I don't think I'd consider laying JJ down here. I've hit the flop I wanted. Especially if I have J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] with one or the both of the players in front of me on a draw. I think Villain maybe wants to raise to get info, but any reasonable raise commits more than 1/2 his stack, so he pushes and maximizes value when he's ahead. He's only behind an AQ+ FD or a set/bigger pair. This seems like the type of player who might decide if he's beat he's beat, but he's hit his flop, keeping in mind his QT hand. That's a little Monday morning QBing, but I still don't think JJ is a fold here. -D
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