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Old 10-21-2005, 09:27 AM
SonicReducer SonicReducer is offline
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Default Is this a bad beat or did I completely misplay it?

Last night I was plying in a three table NL Holdem tourney at a K of C Hall. 25 players to start, we were down to 16.

Blinds are 75/150
Stack sizes are approximate.

1. Button (1,200)
2. SB (1,500)
3. BB (1,700)
4. UTG (1,200)
5. UTG +1 (1,300)
6. MP (800)
7. MP2 (1,000)
8. Hero (785)

It's folded to me I call with Qh 10d. Button and SB fold, BB Checks.

Pot is $375

Flop comes 5s 10c Jh. BB checks I bet $200. BB raises me $435 (all in). I think about it, have a feeling he doesn't have a Jack and call it.

BB turns over 10h 3d.

Turn card is As. River is 3s.

Should I have raised pre-flop? If so, what other mistakes did I make? Should I have never played this hand to begin with?
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Old 10-21-2005, 09:31 AM
rockythecat99 rockythecat99 is offline
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Default Re: Is this a bad beat or did I completely misplay it?

This a bad beat post with bad play involved in it. Push preflop to steal the blinds. Your stack is too small to limp with those blinds.
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Old 10-21-2005, 09:33 AM
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Push pre-flop.
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Old 10-21-2005, 12:32 PM
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Default Re: Is this a bad beat or did I completely misplay it?

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Blinds are 75/150
8. Hero (785)
It's folded to me I call with Qh 10d.


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It was a bad beat, and you did misplay it horribly. There should never be a time where you "limp" for 20% of your stack!! Either raise all-in or just fold pre-flop. In that particular situation, being that short-stacked, I'm open-pushing if it's folded to me with pretty much any two.

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Old 10-21-2005, 02:14 PM
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Default Re: Is this a bad beat or did I completely misplay it?

You've got 3.5 circuits of the table left, your in great position. With any two 10 or higher, I'm pushing pre-flop with no one in the pot to try to steal the blinds.
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Old 10-24-2005, 12:26 PM
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Default Re: Is this a bad beat or did I completely misplay it?

At what point are you supposed to be making the decision to push? Is it 10BB or less? And should a push always be all in?
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Old 10-24-2005, 12:39 PM
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Default Re: Is this a bad beat or did I completely misplay it?

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At what point are you supposed to be making the decision to push? Is it 10BB or less? And should a push always be all in?

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Yes. 10BBs is kind of the defacto amount with which to push. Some may wait to get as low as 6-8 or do it as high as 12-15BBs, it is dependent on who's to your left. If you have a huge stack next to you then waiting until you have 6 BB's won't work. You want to have some folding equity whenever you are pushing. Ideally you're not pushing into stacks too large or too short- the big ones don't care and the shorties are gonna have to gamble to stay in the tourny.

Also "pushing" means all-in.


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Old 10-24-2005, 03:23 PM
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Default Re: Is this a bad beat or did I completely misplay it?

Thanks, that's very helpful.
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