2 Low Pocket Pair hands ?

Vavavoom · #1 10-23-2005, 01:27 PM

I'm 6-tabling on Empire & Eurobet...And have been for 3 hours...Been playing solid and have not stepped out of line...

*1st Hand...

MP2 is a 21/6 over 200 hands...
BB is a 60/9 donk.....over 200 hands....

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

BB ($103.82)
UTG ($128)
UTG+1 ($87.50)
UTG+2 ($105.95)
MP1 ($114.25)
MP2 ($142.85)
MP3 ($94)
CO ($165.85)
Hero ($121.30)
SB ($107.44)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
4 folds, MP2 calls $1, 2 folds, Hero calls $1, SB (poster) completes, BB raises to $2, MP2 calls $2, Hero calls $2, SB calls $2.

Flop: ($12) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP2 bets $4, Hero calls $4, SB folds, BB raises to $10, MP2 calls $6, Hero calls $6.

Turn: ($42) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets $10, MP2 calls $10, Hero raises to $45, BB calls $35, MP2 calls $119.85 (All-In), Hero ??

What range of hands do u put MP2 on ? And what do u put BB on....Do I call here or is this a fold...?

Hand 2

MP3 is a 26/8 over 200 hands (Possibly a 2+2'er)

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Hero ($143.70)
UTG+1 ($105.95)
UTG+2 ($286.80)
MP1 ($234.85)
MP2 ($213.20)
MP3 ($184)
CO ($135.25)
Button ($194.75)
SB ($188.70)
BB ($95)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $1.
Hero calls $2, 2 folds, MP1 calls $2, 1 fold, MP3 raises to $8, 4 folds, Hero calls $6, MP1 calls $6.

Flop: ($27) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP3 checks.

Turn: ($27) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets $15, MP3 calls $15, Hero raises to $35, MP1 folds, MP3 calls $20.

River: ($112) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets ??

Do I bet and how much and what do I do if villain re-raises ?

EMcWilliams · #2 10-23-2005, 01:39 PM

Hand one- If BB is a donk as you so claim, he has AA-TT, offshoot chance of AQs. MP2...seems tight and solid, 44 is a the only reasonabl holding here in retrospect, might of had QJ and spiked too, could be taking a stab too. I call here I think in the heat fo the moment

Second Hand- since it appears your stack is at about the pot size, I might just open shove there. ITs hard to make a decent bet here, but if you do not wanna open push, Id say make it 50 and then if he rr calls as it will put you all in.

ryanghall · #3 10-23-2005, 01:57 PM

Hand #1 - Isn't this a trivially easy call?

Hand #2 - I push and hope he can't fold a flush (or that he thinks you're bluffing). If you bet any amount, you're calling an all-in with this hand so you might as well just put it in yourself.

hagelito · #4 10-23-2005, 05:53 PM

[ QUOTE ]
I'm 6-tabling on Empire & Eurobet...And have been for 3 hours...Been playing solid and have not stepped out of line...

*1st Hand...

MP2 is a 21/6 over 200 hands...
BB is a 60/9 donk.....over 200 hands....
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[/ QUOTE ]

Hi everyone who reads this, I have a few questions regarding the initial post.

MP2 is a 21/6 over 200 hands...
BB is a 60/9 donk.....over 200 hands....

What is 21/6 and 60/9? Is it the Poker Tracker stats for voluntarily put money into pot pre-flop (VP$IP)? And if so, is it 28% and 15%? (And if so...why not write in percentage right away?)

And what about "donk", I read the thread "What is a donk?" (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...mp;sb=5&o=) and it don't seem like people are clear about it, is it a type of bet or a type of player or both? If so, why not use different words? What does donk mean in this thread?

Thanks in advance.

#5 10-23-2005, 06:33 PM

Hand 1:

I am calling. You are probably beaten, but I think you will see QJ or perhaps A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] enough for it to be profitable.

Hand 2:

I would push here.

Dumle

#6 10-23-2005, 06:34 PM

Hand #1 - Isn't this a trivially easy call?

Not really. Put him on a range of hands, given that he seems solid.

Dumle

hagelito · #7 10-23-2005, 08:15 PM

bump

Vavavoom · #8 10-24-2005, 02:49 AM

They are PT stats...

VPIP/PFr...

Donk...Meant that this player was just raising with complete air most of the time and would fold to any pressure unless had a real hand....which I only saw tabled twice...
Was bleeding money...

Vavavoom · #9 10-24-2005, 02:51 AM

[ QUOTE ]
Hand one- If BB is a donk as you so claim, he has AA-TT, offshoot chance of AQs. MP2...seems tight and solid, 44 is a the only reasonabl holding here in retrospect, might of had QJ and spiked too, could be taking a stab too. I call here I think in the heat fo the moment

Second Hand- since it appears your stack is at about the pot size, I might just open shove there. ITs hard to make a decent bet here, but if you do not wanna open push, Id say make it 50 and then if he rr calls as it will put you all in.

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Hand 1:

I called as did BB....3 way all-in saw a 4 on the river...
BB had AA
MP2 had 44....For rivered quads...

Hand 2.
I bet $50, got re-raised All-in and called it to be shown 77...

hagelito · #10 10-24-2005, 02:32 PM

Hi and thanks.

So you mean 21/6 over 200 hands...
means his VP$IP is 21% and he has a 6% preflop raise frequency? (just to verify, ty [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] )

Thanks again.