HULA ML Cleanup

[bds]

Making a post takes less than a minute & can do it right while I'm working - playing takes a chunk of time - big difference.

[MrFeelNothin]

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Making a post takes less than a minute & can do it right while I'm working - playing takes a chunk of time - big difference.

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Its pretty obvious that if you really had zero time to play a HU match you wouldn't be on this website. If you are posting on this website there are a million other small distractors as well. You arent working straight 6 am to midnight so how hard it would be to take an hour off twice in the next two (well probabably more) weeks.

I'm not trying to pick a fight here, I just want to be able to conclude this in the proper way, with playoffs and a champion.

[raisins]

Sorry, if it leaves a bad taste in your mouth but many of us are tired of this league dragging on and are ready for it to end. Again, my preference is to chop up the prize pool.

By the way, in arguing with bds you are trying to get her to go directly against her own best interest. As I pointed out upthread her team is tied with mine in team victories and match victories. The match records are 15-15, no other team at 4-2 has a worse record. My team and hers played in the final week, my team won. If we go to the playoffs, her team is out. By the way, forfeits played no small role in other teams having a superior match record to mine and hers.

If her options are for a 5 way chop of the money or a 4 team playoff, how do you think she, and her team, is going to vote?

regards,

raisins

[MicroBob]

I'm mostly with MrFeelNothin that it's kind of silly to just say "OMG. It's so pointless. Lets just end it."

It's not that tough to arrange the matches.

I disagree though with his take on bds.
If anyone can't play then sobeit. That's how it goes.

We should clearly have been much harsher on matches that weren't getting played throughout the season instead of letting the delats go.

If someone is out of town and they can't play it...then they forfeit after a certain deadline. Doesn't matter if they are sick or dead or in a car-crash or have other job commitments or are out of town or what.
It's only HULA....a forfeit isn't the worst thing in the world.

However, holding everything up to try to accomodate every single player's schedule clearly IS a bad idea.
It just doesn't make sense.

In other words, in order to maintain a smooth-running season everyone just has to accept that there will be forfeits involved. Because EVERY week there will likely be SOMEBODY who is unable to play or just gets lazy.




Anyway - I'm tangenting again.
If we want to cancel it I can live with it.
I just don't see any pressing reason why we should (since most of us are still present and accounted for) or why so many are advocating that course.
But again, I can live with it.

[MrFeelNothin]

Raisins, I agree with everything you said except the first two sentences. Of course she wants to chop it up but that doesn't make "being busy" a legitimate argument.

By the way, team ihardlyknowher did not benefit from a single forfeit victory.

[wonkadaddy]

let's just end this folks. i wouldn't be surprised if some folks have died from age-related causes since the last HULAML week concluded.

i also don't feel there's anyone in place to fairly determine the last playoff spot. does dave's team get the spot over BDS's because of somewhat arbitrary forfeits applied at the last second? -- forfeits that weren't instituted in similar situations earlier in the HULAML season. are the team records even correct?

also, i personally feel like implications that BDS's position stems from her own self-interest are incorrect and out-of-line. she's consistently been one of the strongest voices to run this thing in an honorable, and efficient manner. we've played a couple of times at 10-20/15-30 so i doubt the money is that significant to her.

so let's be done with this. sum it up as a good, albeit imperfect experience and implement changes so it runs even better next time. my reasons for ending it now are below

1. who decides who gets the last playoff spot?
2. do we institute new rules for the playoffs regarding forfeits, timelines, etc? who comes up w/these rules and enforces them?
3. have we lost some players/interest as things have lagged over the past 2 months? do we have any confidence that we can round up all the team members to complete this? i have no desire to do the playoffs over the next 2 months.

figuring out the above sounds like a pain in the a$$ w/no structure in place.

[bds]

thanks wonk for the kinds words. We can end it however the majority see fit, and I won't have a complaint. The only point I was trying to make was that many of the rest of the participants have been silent and remiss for weeks and weeks and weeks - and it just struck me as some kind of wierd poker god irony that all of a sudden when I'm swamped at work, it's gonna revive. Kind of like it feels when you are running bad and having river after river go against you. That's all I was saying. For me, it's not about the money. It was about putting together a team and then doing the best we could against other good players - that was the fun of it. I'm not intending to keep winnings anyway - that's "found money" and the kind of thing I generally target for donation. Maybe as a group we should just donate the entire prize pool to a worthwhile charity. Heaven knows many people in this world in much worse shape than I suspect most of us are - we are all lucky - we can play poker for fun and (hopefully) make money while we're at it. Good night.

[Perseus]

Before you go criticizing people for being busy, you should know that bds, as a captain, was absolutely great. She has sent numerous emails to her team with information on improving heads up play. She also sent out emails every week with standings/updates and information on the team we were scheduled to play (such as contact information).

Before she was swamped at work she would send e-mails offering to practice with people on the team so we could improve our chances to win.

To top it off, she offered to give back the extra money she would make as being a captain if we did win money. This offer wasn't prompted by anything in particular.

While I normally would agree with you with people saying they are busy and normally being full of it, you have to understand that this is probably a special case. If she says she is busy, I believe her. The amount of emails, as well as time contacting people and making sure her team was up to date with matches, makes me believe she wouldn't just blow off the playoffs.

If you go back and look through the other HULA ML threads you will see that bds is consistently making posts to keep things moving.

Anyways, I've never really defended anyone on the forum before but I really think bds deserves a special mention from her team for doing a great job as captain.

Jon

[aslowjoe]

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Before you go criticizing people for being busy, you should know that bds, as a captain, was absolutely great. She has sent numerous emails to her team with information on improving heads up play. She also sent out emails every week with standings/updates and information on the team we were scheduled to play (such as contact information).

Before she was swamped at work she would send e-mails offering to practice with people on the team so we could improve our chances to win.

To top it off, she offered to give back the extra money she would make as being a captain if we did win money. This offer wasn't prompted by anything in particular.

While I normally would agree with you with people saying they are busy and normally being full of it, you have to understand that this is probably a special case. If she says she is busy, I believe her. The amount of emails, as well as time contacting people and making sure her team was up to date with matches, makes me believe she wouldn't just blow off the playoffs.

If you go back and look through the other HULA ML threads you will see that bds is consistently making posts to keep things moving.

Anyways, I've never really defended anyone on the forum before but I really think bds deserves a special mention from her team for doing a great job as captain.



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I will second that.