your vote on 89s

[SCfuji]

baWC

you really dont need to be playing this hand. maybe at like a 100 buyin non-turbo ill start playing this hand like 10% of the time just to make sure that im throwing some curve balls. just play straight up tight at the 15+1 turbos. and if you limp with the intention of trying to spike a flush draw make sure its the nut.

[checkers777]

clear fold.

If you limp, some donkbox with A6o is gonna raise to 100 and you're just pissing away chips.

[Hendricks433]

I said fold for both. Is it even close? I would limp in lp and maybe mp ish. But UTG with 89? OHH but its SOOTED!

[Hendricks433]

I think it might be vise versa. Since youll be able to semi bluff people of hands easier in higher buy ins. Is this correct?

[SCfuji]

then you should be playing every single suited/non-suited connector and semi bluff like crazy. but then your opponents will pick up on this. im just suggesting that these plays be used but very infrequently only to make sure that some of your regular opponents know you are capable of raising with sub-par hands from out of position. this will ensure that you get action on your good hands sometimes as well as your opponents possibly playing back at you with a worse hand. with the people at the 15+1 turbos that i play against i hardly ever see again so there is no point for me to take a -ev play.

[Daliman]

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Well, pretty much what you would assume. Something like an OESD plus a flush draw in a multiway pot against calling stations and LAGs.

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OESD + flush draw vs most any pair=coin flip for all your $$$


Seriously....

[bawcerelli]

True, but that's all in on the flop against a single opponent. You might get to see the turn for cheap, along with 3 or four other callers that will pay you off with top pair. I think some of you may be forgetting how bad the low buy in players are. Look at me for example, to some I'm making a clear -EV play here by limping, and I know a [censored] load more than the average player in those buy ins. So you can imagine the type of -EV plays they make. Though I'm gonna start folding this in EP since I'll have no position through the hand and may get raised PF and have to fold.

[DrPhysic]

Sitting UTG I think "would you fold JTs?" is a more interesting q. And I think I'd still fold.

Doc

[Hendricks433]

thats what I was getting at. At the higher buy ins your gonna see the same opponents alot more therefore thats where semibluffing and raising with sub par hands would be +ev. Also I dont think you should do it all the time. I agree with you that you should do it enough where if throws your opponents off and makes you unpredictable.

[Jbrochu]

I'm never playing this hand UTG in a $15. If I play it UTG in a $55 (which would be almost never) I'm bringing it in for a raise.