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Old 10-10-2003, 12:17 PM
chenyi chenyi is offline
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Default Good laydown of pocket Kings?

This is my first time post my hands and really want to know your opinion here. Flame welcome.
Loose online low limit game. I have a good run so far this session up about 50 bb until I see K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] in cut off, not bad!
Two guys sits immediatelly to my left open limp, I raise, botton and SB cold call 2 and BB reraise! We lose one limper on my right and I decide to just call
(what percentage do u reraise here? my thoughts are
1. I don't want to give my hand away.
2. their is slim chance I am an underdog. ).
So does botton and SB. 5 to the flop for 8BB.

Flop 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].

SB fire a bet, and BB raise again! MP cold call and it's up to me. What's you call?

















I think and think and muck my Kings.

Rest of the story:
both botton and SB call. 4 to the turn for 12BB.

turn 5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img])

BB bet and everyone call. 4 to the river for 16 BB.

river 5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
(2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img])

SB lead out, everyone call to botton who raise and everyone call.

What do you put my opponents on?
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Old 10-10-2003, 12:20 PM
pudley4 pudley4 is offline
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Default Re: Good laydown of pocket Kings?

preflop - cap the betting.
flop - good fold.
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Old 10-10-2003, 12:40 PM
Aces McGee Aces McGee is offline
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Default Re: Good laydown of pocket Kings?

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preflop - cap the betting.
flop - good fold.


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Given that our hero didn't cap preflop, I don't neccesarily understand your advice. If you wanted him to cap it, then you weren't convinced the BB had aces. So folding to his raise doesn't make sense.

Are you giving the SB credit for the made straight or flush already? Or a raggedy two pair?

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Old 10-10-2003, 12:55 PM
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Default Re: Good laydown of pocket Kings?

you have to cap preflop. makes the rest of the hand much easier.

I really hate the fold on the flop. AcX will make that raise all the time. Sometimes a naked 6 will, and it's not necessarily wrong to do so.
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Old 10-10-2003, 03:15 PM
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Default Re: Good laydown of pocket Kings?

I just try add some of my analysis here(of course I added it later [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]):
There are 10 clubs out of 47 unseen cards, so the chance that any one of the guys have a made flush is
C(10,2)/C(47,2)=.04
I have 4 opponests, so 16% of time I am against a made flush, to which I am drawing very thin here.
On the other hand, any single club (the chance of any one of my opponent has a club is almost 100%) has 33% of chance hitting a flush by the river.
So that gives me (1-.16)*2/3=56% favorate without counting other possibilities like high pair AA or straight & two pair.
If the flop has only two clubs I think I would reraise here.
I agree I am not aggressive enough sometimes. I do agree I should cap the PF. But should I cap with QQ, JJ or TT? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 10-10-2003, 03:43 PM
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Default Re: Good laydown of pocket Kings?

I'd cap preflop and reraise the flop. A big four flush could easily have raised. If it gets capped, I'd call and then slow down. If the capper bets the turn I'd probably fold. I'd fold to any bet if a fourth suited card showed up on the turn
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Old 10-10-2003, 03:46 PM
Aces McGee Aces McGee is offline
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Default Re: Good laydown of pocket Kings?

Can you explain why you'd call the flop cap and then fold if he bet again on the turn?

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Old 10-10-2003, 04:00 PM
Mike Gallo Mike Gallo is offline
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Default Re: Good laydown of pocket Kings?

Chenyi,

Cap preflop.
Raise the flop.
bet the turn.
bet the river.

I do not agree with how you played the hand preflop.
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Old 10-10-2003, 04:07 PM
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Default Re: Good laydown of pocket Kings?

Just curious. Would you 3bet PF with pairs like QQ, JJ or TT?
If I 3 bet, I am giving out the info that I have a high pair. Is it sometimes a concern or I am too weak tigh here? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
I would like to fix my leak by posting here. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]
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Old 10-10-2003, 06:57 PM
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Default Re: Good laydown of pocket Kings?

Folding there would be a very big mistake. Many hands can 3-bet that flop. Cap the flop.
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