3bet preflop with AK check flop?

[flawless_victory]

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9829: if u check the flop, u will get bet into on the trun almost everytime , so now ur paying 30 to see the river instead of 15 for the turn than a ck for a free card

[/ QUOTE ]ok, fine. bet. i dont care how you play.
enjoy brokeville.

[TimM]

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9829: if u check the flop, u will get bet into on the trun almost everytime , so now ur paying 30 to see the river instead of 15 for the turn than a ck for a free card

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No, instead of paying $30, you save $15 by folding to a turn bet when you miss.

[TimM]

This was actually my hand. OP thought it was interesting.

Party Poker 15.00/30.00 Hold'em <font color="#0000FF">(10 handed)</font> link

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, MP3 calls, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, UTG calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (16.00 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, UTG checks, MP1 checks, MP3 checks, Hero checks.

Turn: (8.00 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, UTG checks, MP1 checks, MP3 checks, Hero ????

[DeeJ]

I thought the flop was an easy check.

This is closer. Someone may be trapping with a made straight, and it's probable someone has a flush draw. You now have a draw to the nuts but you may be reverse dominated. It's a yuk situation but I see more benefits from checking and seeing the river for free than betting and getting raised for the donation... we only have ace high and it's highly improbable we're ahead.

OTOH If you bet you may get people with junk and 5x to fold and get flush draws to pay to see the river. This isn't so great as there are 2 flush draws there seeking half the pack......

[TimM]

Party Poker 15.00/30.00 Hold'em <font color="#0000FF">(10 handed)</font> link

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, MP3 calls, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, UTG calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (16.00 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, UTG checks, MP1 checks, MP3 checks, Hero checks.

Turn: (8.00 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, UTG checks, MP1 checks, MP3 checks, Hero checks.

River: (8.00 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, UTG checks, MP1 checks, MP3 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB folds, UTG calls, MP1 folds, MP3 folds.

<font color="white">UTG had AdJd and took it down.</font> [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

[Dominic]

2 schools of thought:

no use betting into such a big field and pot;

and

might as well bet and try and clean up some of your outs.

which one is correct, i have no idea. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

[TimM]

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2 schools of thought:

no use betting into such a big field and pot;

and

might as well bet and try and clean up some of your outs.

which one is correct, i have no idea. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

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I don't think the outs are cleanable. In order for any of them to be dirty someone would need either a flush draw, QJ, or a pair which reverse dominates me. None are folding for one bet, and in the last case I am actually way behind.