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#1
10-15-2005, 05:18 PM
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Donk Against Thinking Player?
Please comment on turn play. Reads - villain is slighltly LPA 24 VPIP or so, 5% PFR, but AF > 1 post flop (hence cold calls more than he should). Seems to be a thinking player. Table is generally tight (Eurobet without the Party base)
On the flop, I think villain is equally likely to have a Q and a flushdraw/bluff since he is somewhat of a thinking player that is aggressive post flop. I decided to donk the turn to prevent a free card, fold to a raise. Thoughts? He could reasonably fold the flush draw since hes somewhat thinking post flop. I think the only problem is if he calls, he could still be drawing or have a weak Q. What to do on the river then? Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, MP3 calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls. Flop: (6.50 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises</font>, BB folds, Hero calls. Turn: (5.25 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>????? Final Pot: 6.25 BB Thanks! 
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#3
10-15-2005, 06:08 PM
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Re: Donk Against Thinking Player?
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I like the play so far. I fold the turn to a raise. If I make it to the river, I check/fold. Maybe this is too weak, but I always get myself into trouble with TT. [/ QUOTE ] why would you fold the river here? If we put villian on a flush draw he is going to call the turn. I think bet fold might be a better river line.
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#4
10-15-2005, 06:11 PM
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Re: Donk Against Thinking Player?
The play is ok, but what makes it tough is that villain cc preflop. Only seeing 24% makes his cc range fairly small. Looking at AQ, KQs, and PP. Then maybe some hands like AJs and A10s.
You are ahead of many of these hands, many of which are on draws. B/F the turn. Then see what comes on the river. Bet a non club A or K. c/c all other non clubs. probably c/f a club.
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#5
10-15-2005, 06:35 PM
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Re: Donk Against Thinking Player?
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[ QUOTE ] I like the play so far. I fold the turn to a raise. If I make it to the river, I check/fold. Maybe this is too weak, but I always get myself into trouble with TT. [/ QUOTE ] why would you fold the river here? If we put villian on a flush draw he is going to call the turn. I think bet fold might be a better river line. [/ QUOTE ] I don't think Villain will bluff the river since we bet the turn. If you bet/fold you lose an extra bet than if you check/fold. And if he calls your bet you're probably beat, if we assume he's a thinking player.
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#7
10-15-2005, 07:10 PM
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Re: Donk Against Thinking Player?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I like the play so far. I fold the turn to a raise. If I make it to the river, I check/fold. Maybe this is too weak, but I always get myself into trouble with TT. [/ QUOTE ] why would you fold the river here? If we put villian on a flush draw he is going to call the turn. I think bet fold might be a better river line. [/ QUOTE ] I don't think Villain will bluff the river since we bet the turn. If you bet/fold you lose an extra bet than if you check/fold. And if he calls your bet you're probably beat, if we assume he's a thinking player. [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] villain is slighltly LPA 24 VPIP or so, 5% PFR, but AF > 1 post flop [/ QUOTE ] based on this I think villian may bluff the river when given the opportunity.
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#9
10-15-2005, 08:14 PM
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Re: Donk Against Thinking Player?
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slighltly LPA 24 VPIP or so, 5% PFR, but AF > 1 post flop (hence cold calls more than he should). [/ QUOTE ] Can't figure out how you arrived to this conclusion. Could you please elaborate?
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#10
10-15-2005, 08:41 PM
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Re: Donk Against Thinking Player?
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this is fine, you need to fold ot a turn raise, you need to check/call river [/ QUOTE ] I think this is the best line, but I'd probably end up folding the river to a bet...
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