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Old 10-14-2005, 08:25 AM
BlackRain BlackRain is offline
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Default Re: ever see a $160 pot in 25NL? how bout 2 in a row?! (nc)

That is pretty astounding. I managed to get my AA all in preflop against two other players last week at .5/1 NL.
Site? Pokerstars...amazingly enough. One guy had QQ, ok, its a hand...

Other guy who was a complete maniac and was last to act, called with A4o. Running odds later I figured him at about 7% to win. Always a good spot to get all your money in lol.
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Old 10-14-2005, 01:51 PM
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Default When you SHOULD fold AA...

Interesting..

pokenum -h as ah - ad ac - kd kh - qd qh - jc js - tc ts
Holdem Hi: 658008 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As Ah 10344 1.57 456048 69.31 191616 29.12 0.160
Ac Ad 10344 1.57 456048 69.31 191616 29.12 0.160
Kd Kh 143756 21.85 511356 77.71 2896 0.44 0.219
Qd Qh 118232 17.97 536880 81.59 2896 0.44 0.180
Js Jc 97242 14.78 557870 84.78 2896 0.44 0.149
Ts Tc 86474 13.14 568638 86.42 2896 0.44 0.132

If everyone else (the last 5 hands above) were all-in (with even stacks) in front of you and you were last to act after they flipped their cards up, you should fold your AA. Assuming $100 stacks with no rake, your EV:

$ 500 * .0157 (You win with nut flush)
$ 200 * .2868 (You tie with the other AA)
$ 000 * .0044 (You tie with everyone)
$-100 * .6774 (You lose)
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$-2.53


After you fold..

pokenum -h ad ac - kd kh - qd qh - jc js - tc ts / as ah
Holdem Hi: 658008 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ac Ad 199064 30.25 456048 69.31 2896 0.44 0.303
Kd Kh 148931 22.63 506181 76.93 2896 0.44 0.227
Qd Qh 118232 17.97 536880 81.59 2896 0.44 0.181
Js Jc 102411 15.56 552701 84.00 2896 0.44 0.157
Ts Tc 86474 13.14 568638 86.42 2896 0.44 0.132

...the other AA is still favored to win.

This is just one of the many cases where folding AA is the right thing to do. Remember that next time you're in one of those games where everyone flips their cards up before it's your turn.
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Old 10-14-2005, 04:11 PM
cs3 cs3 is offline
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Default Re: ever see a $160 pot in 25NL? how bout 2 in a row?! (nc)

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What site was this at? Pacific Poker?

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nah, it was party.. new additions to the ol buddy list huh?

on another note, i did indeed have my AA cracked earlier in that session:

PREFLOP
raised to $1 by UTG, one call, reraised to $2 by button, i re-reraised to $8 in the BB with AA. folded around to button who calls the $8

FLOP
J T 7 rainbow
I push. Button instacalls [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

TURN
9

RIVER
Q

Button flips over K10o
and takes down the pot with the straight. after smashing my computer and throwing the mouse through the window, i read the chat and he says "i had to make 2 good calls to win that one"

the chair went out the window next.
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