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Old 10-08-2003, 08:04 AM
spoody spoody is offline
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Default NLHE Tournament Drawing Hands

Hey folks, qustion about drawing hands in a freeze out tourneys.

In my last 2 tournaments I have had an open ended Straight Flush Draw that sucked most of my stack w/o hitting anything. I had correct pot odds to call anything and my Implied odds were huge. The problem was I had to risk most or all of my stack to call these hands. The first one I was the raiser and was reraised all in, I went for it and got no help and lost to middle pair. The second one I lost to trips (other guy had over cards - not sure what exactly what he was thinking in the huge pot), Pot odds on my all in call of over 4-1, but I had to move all in to go for it. Bad luck that both times, I basically had 4 chances (turn-river x2) at a StFl draw and got no part of it each time.

So maybe I was just blinded by the huge draws, but what are your thoughts on moving all in on just a draw instead of a pat hand? Does anyone adjust their odds because they are not willing to put their tourney on the line for a draw? I could see adding a point or to to your requirements..for instance willing to go for a flush after the flop only if your pot odds are 4-1 instead of 2-1..something like that. I dont think I made the wrong play either hand, but it does suck to get bounced out early in a tourney holding 10 high after the river shows you nothing.

I think I would rather have JayP's KKs from now on [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
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Old 10-08-2003, 09:09 AM
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Default Re: NLHE Tournament Drawing Hands

This is one of the reasons a lot of players would tell you not to be playing "drawing hands" to begin with. Honestly, you don't give a lot of details, but if you are in a situation where you are being put all-in on the flop you probably payed to much to see the flop in the first place.
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Old 10-08-2003, 09:15 AM
TheRake TheRake is offline
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Default Re: NLHE Tournament Drawing Hands

Pot odds are less important in tournament play. Really it doesn't matter what kind of odds you are getting if you don't have enough chips to play a complete hand. The only way I would risk my whole stack is if I was first in the pot. Maybe your opponent will fold his hand and you can win right there. If he does call at least you have a chance to make your hand.
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Old 10-08-2003, 09:26 AM
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Default Re: NLHE Tournament Drawing Hands

As said above, its all in the details. For example, early in a large tourney you will be more willing to play it by the hand odds, and take the draw. Closer to the money risking everything on a draw could be a huge real money mistake, despite having proper TC odds.

Early in a small tournament, such as a SnG, where you are always relatively "close to the money", but all the stacks are pretty much even, I think its a matter of personal preference. If the SF draw is to high cards, so even pairing up has a shot at taking it, I would defintiely play it. A lower draw it would depend on whether I was in the mood to grind it out for an hour, or would just as soon take the good odds and move on if I didnt hit.
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