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10-14-2005, 01:13 AM
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Re: BITCH PLEASE. PARTY20. BLIND VS BLIND.
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[ QUOTE ] this is very similar to my HU hand with stinkypete. i like it. [/ QUOTE ] Even if that hand was correct that doesn't mean it applies here since there is so so so much metagame going on in HU matches. [/ QUOTE ] yes exactly. in a vacuum against an unknown I think this hand sucks 
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10-14-2005, 01:25 AM
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Re: BITCH PLEASE. PARTY20. BLIND VS BLIND.
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] this is very similar to my HU hand with stinkypete. i like it. [/ QUOTE ] Even if that hand was correct that doesn't mean it applies here since there is so so so much metagame going on in HU matches. [/ QUOTE ] yes exactly. in a vacuum against an unknown I think this hand sucks [/ QUOTE ] man i don't know. i would have hated it if he bet the river. but since he didn't the hand is more of a "don't [censored] with me" type deal. i think regardless of whether or not you win this has positive metagame effects. also he's ahead here at least 50% of the time and he won't be capped on the turn without a monster. the cap preflop is really marginal and possibly bad "in a vacuum" because it inflates the pot but once again we aren't in a vacuum even in party 20, especially 4 handed.
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#3
10-14-2005, 01:56 AM
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Re: BITCH PLEASE. PARTY20. BLIND VS BLIND.
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man i don't know. i would have hated it if he bet the river. but since he didn't the hand is more of a "don't [censored] with me" type deal. i think regardless of whether or not you win this has positive metagame effects. [/ QUOTE ] this is what really doesn't make sense to me. if he's calling the turn 3-bet with A high he'll probably call the river too. you're probably not getting raised by a worse hand since he didn't cap, and the chances that he pays off with a worse hand have got to be greater than the chances that he checks a worse one. all these lead to required bet given a called turn 3-bet. I don't understand at all unless you really expect him to check through with a better hand. maybe I'm underestimating the times he checks through with a better hand. and the "don't [censored] with me" part is bs. if he has a better hand the OP looks like an idiot. the only way he gets this message across is if the guy has K high. I guess maybe that's why you like to check, to show down the 3s. I don't buy it [ QUOTE ] also he's ahead here at least 50% of the time and he won't be capped on the turn without a monster. [/ QUOTE ] but he's still out of position. I guess you're getting 3 when ahead and 4 when behind instead of 2 when ahead and 3 when behind so it's ok. but also, if he's bluffing, you lose out on a bet in exchange for him folding 6 outs. then also he said he'll call a cap, then then I assume subsequently the river since how often do people cap for a free showdown. [ QUOTE ] the cap preflop is really marginal and possibly bad "in a vacuum" because it inflates the pot but once again we aren't in a vacuum even in party 20, especially 4 handed. [/ QUOTE ] he has 33. he's against pairs and overcards. he's either 50/50 or a huge underdog. I think it's way worse than marginal because of the other reasons I gave.
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10-14-2005, 02:21 AM
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Re: BITCH PLEASE. PARTY20. BLIND VS BLIND.
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the only way he gets this message across is if the guy has K high. [/ QUOTE ] what about J high? or 2 hearts? or a straight draw? or the plethora of other hands he might bluff raise on a raggy board?
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#5
10-14-2005, 02:29 AM
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Re: BITCH PLEASE. PARTY20. BLIND VS BLIND.
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[ QUOTE ] the only way he gets this message across is if the guy has K high. [/ QUOTE ] what about J high? or 2 hearts? or a straight draw? or the plethora of other hands he might bluff raise on a raggy board? [/ QUOTE ] people will bluff their draws headsup because that's what they do. it'll have the same impact if he calls down with a pair of threes
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10-14-2005, 02:33 AM
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Re: BITCH PLEASE. PARTY20. BLIND VS BLIND.
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] the only way he gets this message across is if the guy has K high. [/ QUOTE ] what about J high? or 2 hearts? or a straight draw? or the plethora of other hands he might bluff raise on a raggy board? [/ QUOTE ] people will bluff their draws headsup because that's what they do. it'll have the same impact if he calls down with a pair of threes [/ QUOTE ] yes, this is a good point. against a tighter player who i didnt think would bluff his draw on the end after i called his turn raise this play might be better. so i think it's more of a calldown than i thought.
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#7
10-14-2005, 04:34 AM
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Re: BITCH PLEASE. PARTY20. BLIND VS BLIND.
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] the only way he gets this message across is if the guy has K high. [/ QUOTE ] what about J high? or 2 hearts? or a straight draw? or the plethora of other hands he might bluff raise on a raggy board? [/ QUOTE ] people will bluff their draws headsup because that's what they do. [/ QUOTE ] no. especially no if he has high card strength... ppl who call the turn, call the river and i dont know anything about him... im not assuming he is totally stu[pid quite yet. he will be checking behind here alot... i know this, because i play LHE SH all the time, and ive seen this behavior many times over. of course he will fire one more w/ JT alot... so what. [ QUOTE ] it'll have the same impact if he calls down with a pair of threes [/ QUOTE ] hell no it wont. totally disagree.
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#8
10-14-2005, 02:31 AM
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Re: BITCH PLEASE. PARTY20. BLIND VS BLIND.
I'm not a fan either. I think this 3-bet should only be made if the other guy could be making a free showdown play, or if he'll fold a better hand to it. Neither seems likely at all, so I reckon a call down is superior.
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