Multi-way 10/20 ps, 500bb stacks

[sawseech]

hero here either has the hand locked or he's dead
raising is suicidal

[MightyMouse]

is that best player H@llingal or whatever his name is??

[Avivs]

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hero here either has the hand locked or he's dead
raising is suicidal

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Clearly if either UTG (unlikely since he probably would have raised preflop) or the button (very likely) has somthing like AQo with only one high diamond, which he might have slow played on the flop, than you are neither dead or have a lock...

[scdavis0]

I'm confident that at button has the A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] in his hand. I know that doesn't help much, but I'd play the hand under the assumption that he has either got you crushed or has a 4 to 1 draw.

Since H@ is such a regular in the game, it might be a good spot to just stick it all in and show him how big your nuts are. If he has the nutty nut, you can at least be sure that he'll think twice about trying to pull a big semi-bluff in a similar situation.

[craze9]

If button has the A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], then wtf does UTG have?

Sticking it all in to "show" something to H@ is idiotic for multiple reasons, one of which being that he isnt the player that raised. He will fold.

And were he to stack you for 10k it would not lead to him being cautious or respectful of your play lol.

Actually I think you misread the original post.

[scdavis0]

I did misread; I meant to say UTG has the A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].

And I thought H@ was the one raising.

[durrrr]

I don't need to show h@ll or kelly or any1 else at the table anything. I don't play 1000bb+ pots for metagame considerations. Maybe 200bb pots, however if anything i consider metagame spots in different smaller pots so that i can exploit them now (either opponents will call/fold too much).

Whoever suggested pushing, that just doesnt make sense IMO. UTG will probably call w/ a Qhigh flush, button will probably only call w/ the nuts, and UTG may possibly stack off on a 9hi flush. In other words we lose the most when behind and win the least when ahead.

Craze: you seem much less worried about h@ll than i was. Obviously i was more worried about UTG(and whoever suggested that the nut flush is more likely to smooth call than raise is plain wrong... look @ stack sizes). However i did not rule out that h@ll had me beat. I know you know him a lot better than I do, but I don't know if your reads are off because he is playing me and not you (i'd imagine my turn betting standards here are a bit tighter than yours, not sure tho), or if my reads are way off on him. I thouhgt button's range was perhaps only 3x as large as UTG's range.

I obviously dont like raising in hindsight for above stated reasons, and at the time i didnt like calling because what do i do if button pushes, or if utg leads allin on the river (i think i need to muck, but not so sure on the button push). Folding is obviously no fun as i have the third nuts.

Results to follow tomorow.

lol i watched this hand the other day. was just randomly watching the 10/20 tables. so i already know the results.

[sawseech]

reraising folds out a smaller flush

if button has Ad we accept that here in exchange for the certainty of getting a bet or a stack from utg on a river blank (assuming he has a smaller flush, which is a pretty safe bet imo)