Free showdown play with middle pair from the BB - Page 2

Shillx · #11 10-13-2005, 12:02 AM

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i usually just call down and bet when checked to. they call with A high, occasionally K high.

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Yeah raising is only good in this spot if you want to bet the river. Since we intend on checking the river behind I would just flat calldown. That said I don't really mind a raise and a river bet here though (do we have reads? I don't know b/c I don't care. It is the theoty behind this play that is important). Taking a "free showdown" is pretty lame in this case.

Brad

SlantNGo · #12 10-13-2005, 12:07 AM

Why is the free showdown bad? Am I wrong to think that this type of opponent will check/fold missed overcards or a missed draw on this river, and about 50/50 on check/fold or check/call with a lower PP? I took the free showdown because it gets me 2 bets when he is drawing, and I can't see any made hand I beat that he'll call on the river with.

SlantNGo · #13 10-13-2005, 12:16 AM

I like this against an unknown. However, that is counter-intuitive to what I would think of doing against a weak-tightie. Doesn't that just mean I'm losing value when he's drawing, and I'm paying off when he's ahead?

Against an aggressive player, call down is fine.

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i usually just call down and bet when checked to. they call with A high, occasionally K high.

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deception5 · #14 10-13-2005, 07:55 AM

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Whoa, man I'm surprised by the response I'm getting here. I'm expecting a PP smaller than my 9s to fold to my turn raise

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In that case a turn raise would be bad.

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and even if I didn't raise, I wouldn't expect to get another bet out of him (small chance if I call the turn, then he check/calls the river).

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I think you overestimate the chance that he's going to bet/bet/check-fold. He'll almost always bet/bet/bet or bet/bet/check-call here.