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A Couple of 88 hands (1/2 full)
BB is LPP (39.7/3.85/.65)
Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, Button calls, SB completes, BB checks. Flop: (4 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button folds, SB folds, BB calls. Turn: (3 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> BB checks, Hero checks. River: (3 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero ???? What do you think, are we good 20% or more here to make the call? Do we have to be showing this down? I personally think a call isn't bad, though maybe not all the time. Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. UTG posts a blind of $1. UTG (poster) checks, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB checks. Flop: (5.50 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font> BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks, MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, BB folds, UTG calls, Hero folds, MP2 folds. Turn: (3.75 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, UTG folds. Final Pot: 4.75 BB This is a pretty standard play for me, I'm just questioning plays like this lately in the particularly tight post-party environment. Plus I'm really trying to improve my game. Does anyone like a flop bet here? Any advice is appreciated. |
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Re: A Couple of 88 hands (1/2 full)
Hand 1, I bet the turn too and fold to a raise.
Hand 2, A flop bet would be OK, but a flop check/raise would be funner. |
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Re: A Couple of 88 hands (1/2 full)
I raise 88 preflop. After that the hand plays quite different.
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Re: A Couple of 88 hands (1/2 full)
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BB is LPP (39.7/3.85/.65) Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, Button calls, SB completes, BB checks. Flop: (4 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button folds, SB folds, BB calls. Turn: (3 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> BB checks, Hero checks. River: (3 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero ???? [/ QUOTE ] The only reason to check the turn is to call to pick off a river bluff. Otherwise, giving away a free card does nothing helpful. I tend to bet-fold the turn and check behind on the river. [ QUOTE ] Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. UTG posts a blind of $1. UTG (poster) checks, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB checks. Flop: (5.50 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font> BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks, MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, BB folds, UTG calls, Hero folds, MP2 folds. Turn: (3.75 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, UTG folds. Final Pot: 4.75 BB This is a pretty standard play for me, I'm just questioning plays like this lately in the particularly tight post-party environment. Plus I'm really trying to improve my game. Does anyone like a flop bet here? Any advice is appreciated. [/ QUOTE ] Betting the flop here is fine. There is a reasonable chance that nobody has a queen. But if you check, you should usually fold. The exceptions are when you have a read such as "Button bets his position on checked flops", in which case you'd better be check-raising a bunch. |
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Re: A Couple of 88 hands (1/2 full)
Hand 1: I bet/fold the turn. Since you checked you have to call the river bet.
Hand 2: I play the same way. I'd like a flop bet more if there were only 2 opponents or if you were in later position. As it is you know that 2 player don't like their hands much but you know nothing about the other 2 yet (just that they didn't like their hands enough to raise preflop). I'm not crazy about the thought of putting a bet into a small pot when there's a very good chance I will have to follow up with a turn bet against at least 2 players when there's already an overcard on the board. |
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Re: A Couple of 88 hands (1/2 full)
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[ QUOTE ] BB is LPP (39.7/3.85/.65) Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, Button calls, SB completes, BB checks. Flop: (4 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button folds, SB folds, BB calls. Turn: (3 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> BB checks, Hero checks. River: (3 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero ???? [/ QUOTE ] The only reason to check the turn is to call to pick off a river bluff. Otherwise, giving away a free card does nothing helpful. I tend to bet-fold the turn and check behind on the river. [ QUOTE ] Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. UTG posts a blind of $1. UTG (poster) checks, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB checks. Flop: (5.50 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font> BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks, MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, BB folds, UTG calls, Hero folds, MP2 folds. Turn: (3.75 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, UTG folds. Final Pot: 4.75 BB This is a pretty standard play for me, I'm just questioning plays like this lately in the particularly tight post-party environment. Plus I'm really trying to improve my game. Does anyone like a flop bet here? Any advice is appreciated. [/ QUOTE ] Betting the flop here is fine. There is a reasonable chance that nobody has a queen. But if you check, you should usually fold. The exceptions are when you have a read such as "Button bets his position on checked flops", in which case you'd better be check-raising a bunch. [/ QUOTE ] IMHO. Perfect. |
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