$55: Overpair in level 1

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no, at best he has Ax and he folds to your c/r.

i think calling, raising, or folding would be ok. if you call, it could to call the flop and check/fold the turn or call the flop and lead the turn.

i would probably call and plan on check/folding the turn.

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I agree that all 3 options seem ok, but I would lean toward folding. The bet seem weak, but it is into 4 players all of who called a raise preflop, so any bet is strength.

To those who advocate folding preflop - I like a coldcall. You are way getting the implied odds to stack someone when you hit your set.

[pineapple888]

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To those who advocate folding preflop - I like a coldcall. You are way getting the implied odds to stack someone when you hit your set.

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Why? You are betting 60 after the raise, you hit a set once every 8.5 times on the flop, and you might get paid off one out of two times you hit the set. It's still reasonable, but it's not completely obvious.

[downtown]

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To those who advocate folding preflop - I like a coldcall. You are way getting the implied odds to stack someone when you hit your set.

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Why? You are betting 60 after the raise, you hit a set once every 8.5 times on the flop, and you might get paid off one out of two times you hit the set. It's still reasonable, but it's not completely obvious.

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I think with 1 raiser and 4 cold callers there is a good chance someone will pair their overcards or already has a pocket pair and will at least make up the difference to make it a good call. I don't think it's obvious either at first, but to an astute player it should be.

You'll get paid way more than 1 in two times where you hit a set in this spot. You'll stack someone or get a multiway pot one time in two and at least get some chips (equal to what you need to make the call right) when you hit your set more often that 1 in 2 times when you hit in this situation. Sorry for the ramble. The odds are there though. Folding is bad.

(odds of hitting a set or better here, 7.5:1, real pot odds here, 4.375:1, the call is easy)

[pineapple888]

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To those who advocate folding preflop - I like a coldcall. You are way getting the implied odds to stack someone when you hit your set.

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Why? You are betting 60 after the raise, you hit a set once every 8.5 times on the flop, and you might get paid off one out of two times you hit the set. It's still reasonable, but it's not completely obvious.

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I think with 1 raiser and 4 cold callers there is a good chance someone will pair their overcards or already has a pocket pair and will at least make up the difference to make it a good call. I don't think it's obvious either at first, but to an astute player it should be.

You'll get paid way more than 1 in two times where you hit a set in this spot. You'll stack someone or get a multiway pot one time in two and at least get some chips (equal to what you need to make the call right) when you hit your set more often that 1 in 2 times when you hit in this situation. Sorry for the ramble. The odds are there though. Folding is bad.

(odds of hitting a set or better here, 7.5:1, real pot odds here, 4.375:1, the call is easy)

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Yeah, good point about the current pot odds, I missed that for some reason.

But remember you could still *lose* if you hit the set, and maybe lose your whole stack. You have to factor that into the 1 out of 2 figure I used for implied odds. I didn't word that idea well in my initial response, obviously.

In any case, you've convinced me it's a call [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[RobGW]

Well said. This call is incredibly easy. To all the PF folders, you do realize that NL is all about implied odds right? At any rate, even if you miss the set, you still have chips to play with. A good player can take a chance early and still win.

[Bigwig]

Yeah, calling this small preflop raise is a no-brainer.