play along with me? - Page 4

thesharpie · #31 10-10-2005, 08:24 AM

If this is bad preflop why does Bob Ciafonne do things like 3 bet QJs from the blinds multiway against a LAG EP raise, he said he only does it rarely even though he has many examples in a book I read, I guess it's purely deception?

I bet the flop for the reasons already stated, and I can't fold this huge pot on the river just because I'm overcalling against a "loose TAG". Overcalling after a good TAG I might consider folding.

adsman · #32 10-10-2005, 08:51 AM

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excellent. disagreement already.

well, i gotta run to the store, so here's the rest of the pf action and the beginning of the flop...

PokerStars Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
Hero calls, UTG+1 raises, 1 fold, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, 2 folds, BB calls, Hero 3-bets, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, BB calls.

Flop: (21.40 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (7 players)
BB checks, Hero ????

now what?

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Bet the flop and hope that UTG+1 raises.

tiltaholic · #33 10-10-2005, 09:20 AM

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Not betting the flop makes my avatar cry.

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other people have suggested this as a reason, but to spell it out completely...bet the flop and hope lag raises to force the field to call 2?

even though (assuming he raises) everyone still gets 12:1 or more?

xenthebrain · #34 10-10-2005, 10:14 AM

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
Hero calls, UTG+1 raises, 1 fold, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, 2 folds, BB calls, Hero ????

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With this many people in and a hand with very good multihand value and everyone trapped, I 3-bet here.

xenthebrain · #35 10-10-2005, 10:16 AM

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PokerStars Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
Hero calls, UTG+1 raises, 1 fold, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, 2 folds, BB calls, Hero 3-bets, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, BB calls.

Flop: (21.40 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (7 players)
BB checks, Hero ????

now what?

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A gutshot and two overcards. I want to clean up the overcards somehow in this big pot. I bet and hope to get raised by UTG+1.

tiltaholic · #36 10-10-2005, 02:52 PM

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meh. so much for playing along...
i can't stick around. so here's the rest of the hand.
i made a conscious decision to take a passive line after the flop since the lag to my left would likely forget i had 3-bet (or limp reraised) preflop... so i checked the flop and here's the rest of the action. i'm particularly interested in what people think of the river overcall. (since CO was a slightly too loose TAG but not an idiot by any means)

PokerStars Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
Hero calls, UTG+1 raises, 1 fold, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, 2 folds, BB calls, Hero 3-bets, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, BB calls.

Flop: (21.40 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (7 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, BB calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (13.70 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, BB folds, Hero calls.

River: (18.70 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 checks, MP3 bets, CO calls, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls.

Final Pot: 23.70 BB

whatcha think?

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ok thanks for the comments...

i'm still torn on whether or not i should bet the flop...
and after considerable thought i still can't tell if anyone that we want to fold would actually fold for 2 more bets as opposed to one.

(i still kindof like the LRR preflop in all honesty).

and on the river....eh....sanity call.

and for those that care:
Results:
Hero has Jd Qd (one pair, jacks).
UTG+1 has 9s 7s (one pair, nines).
MP2 has 8d 7d (one pair, eights).
MP3 has 9c 6d (one pair, nines).
CO has Th Jh (one pair, jacks).
Outcome: Hero wins 23.70 BB.

i river goot. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]