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10-10-2005, 09:57 AM
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Re: How I Became a Christian (LONG)
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Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Am I the type of person who needs to believe in something bigger than himself to deal with past issues? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yes. We all are. God made us that way. [/ QUOTE ] Now I know you're wrong. If there is a god he made me in such a way that I cannot believe in him. chez 
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10-10-2005, 10:13 AM
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Re: How I Became a Christian (LONG)
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[ QUOTE ] If there is a god he made me in such a way that I cannot believe in him. [/ QUOTE ] That's basically the excuse Adam and Eve tried to use. It didn't work then and it won't now. [/ QUOTE ] I'm not making excuses. If you could see inside my mind as I can you would know the truth of which I speak. If there's a god then of course he can see inside my mind and will also know the truth of it. You, of course, have no access to my mind except what I tell you and your claim to knowledge is false. chez
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10-10-2005, 10:16 AM
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Re: How I Became a Christian (LONG)
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If you could see inside my mind [/ QUOTE ] If it's a question of what you think is in your mind and what is in God's word, I'll take His word. He didn't make you so that you are unable to believe. You made yourself that way. I base that on His word, not from reading your mind. If you're right, you have nothing to worry about. But God's word says you're wrong.
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#5
10-10-2005, 10:22 AM
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Re: How I Became a Christian (LONG)
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[ QUOTE ] If you could see inside my mind [/ QUOTE ] If it's a question of what you think is in your mind and what is in God's word, I'll take His word. He didn't make you so that you are unable to believe. You made yourself that way. I base that on His word, not from reading your mind. If you're right, you have nothing to worry about. But God's word says you're wrong. [/ QUOTE ] but if you didn't believe words of men (that claim to come from god) then you would be like me and not believe. Just because you believe they are the words of god does not make it so. chez
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#6
10-10-2005, 02:16 PM
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Re: How I Became a Christian (LONG)
<font color="red">I base that on His word, not from reading your mind. If you're right, you have nothing to worry about. But God's word says you're wrong. </font>
How are you so sure that this is God's word and not the word of others? How do you manage such an enormous faith in what others purport is/was God's word? If someone tells you the tree in their backyard has spoken, why would you be any less likely to believe them, than these people from such a distant time, whom you never met, and know nothing about? It seems to me that the bulk of your faith must lie in these people. Even more so, than in God.
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#7
10-10-2005, 02:44 PM
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Re: How I Became a Christian (LONG)
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If someone tells you the tree in their backyard has spoken [/ QUOTE ] The Bible is not a tree. [ QUOTE ] than these people from such a distant time, whom you never met, and know nothing about? [/ QUOTE ] We know a lot about them. The Bible is the most amazing document of ancient history. Its historical and archeological accuracies are superb. Skeptics have been converted simply from making an honest effort to prove it's invalidity. Search the net. There's tons of information pro and con. If you just want to be flip or have no serious interest in the subject I can't help you. But the Bible stands out in a way no other religious claims does for many reasons. Most people who say "It's just a book like any other book", or "It's just as reasonable to believe in the spaghetti monster as the Bible" usually have done no investigation of their own.
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#8
10-10-2005, 02:51 PM
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Re: How I Became a Christian (LONG)
I'm not trying to be flip. I would love to have more of an understanding about the bible. I haven't delved much further because:
Do you (am I) supposed to take the old testament literally? i.e. do you (should I), believe in talking snakes, men living to be 900 years old, etc? If so, I don't think I can get past that. I'm not sure anyone should.
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#9
10-10-2005, 03:04 PM
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Re: How I Became a Christian (LONG)
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The Bible is not a tree.[ QUOTE ] Actually, I think on a molecular level they would be fairly similar. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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#10
10-10-2005, 12:25 PM
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Re: How I Became a Christian (LONG)
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[ QUOTE ] Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Am I the type of person who needs to believe in something bigger than himself to deal with past issues? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yes. We all are. God made us that way. [/ QUOTE ] Now I know you're wrong. If there is a god he made me in such a way that I cannot believe in him. chez [/ QUOTE ] You know what I think is ironic? (And this is not directed specifically at you, chez. But your post made me think of it.) All of us here on the board have inquisitive minds. We love a challenge, too. We want to be challenged. To solve a puzzle is fulfilling. I’ll quote benkahuna on why he posts here. (Btw ben, my reasons are similar to yours. I was just trying to be humorous when I stated why I post. Evidently I failed.) 1. Boredom 2. Keep intellectually active (poker alone just isn't enough). 3. Learn something 4. Dispel my own misconceptions 5. Keep my debate skills on point. Anyway, so here we are a gang of challenge seekers (a lot safer and warmer than climbing Everest, too – although now that we know it is really 12 feet shorter, maybe I’ll give it a go). We have no problem with the fact that “nature” and the universe gives us the challenges it does. Why are the “secrets” not revealed by nature? We don't curse nature. Often the quest to just “know” is enough to keep scientists going in their work. “Because it is there” if you will. Yet, when we speak of God not revealing these same answers or indeed Himself, we call him (or for the atheists, the non existent thing we believers call God) more or less a Son of B. (Often this type of talk is even used to show the futility of believing in a God.) That is what I find ironic. Wonder why that is?
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