To all of you who are so upset by this... - Page 3

Voltron87 · #21 10-09-2005, 03:45 AM

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go back to .5/1 where you didnt even realize rake existed until today.

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poker is shitting out golden eggs for people and now theyre complaining they didnt come wrapped and packaged. BIG PICTURE

MyTurn2Raise · #22 10-09-2005, 03:45 AM

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No, if you read what I said you'd understand that I was talking to those of you who are saying they can't make it as a pro without rakeback. (eg. the dude who replied that this was his "pink slip"). I assume the rest see this as a pay cut but not the end of their poker careers.

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I didn't say this was my 'pink slip'. I made a statement to emphasize that now is the time to be sympathetic to many 2+2ers that lost a substantial amount of income. I don't think now is the time to be piling on them. Kind words...don't call them a bunch of babies and such. I Imagine many affiliates really got a kick in the nuts today. A business they spent many hours and resources on took a huge blow. Regular players took a beat as well.

Here is how it lays out for me. Of course, some of my business will stay on the skins. Some will move to other, rakeback friendly sites. The question is do I stay on party itself. The loss of rakeback is about 0.55BB/100hands for me. Multiply that by 50,000 hands/month. Bye bye 275 BB/month...3300BB/year... ouch. Obviously, a 0.55 BB/100 hands doesn't make the difference between me being a winning player and a losing player, but it does make my old job as an accountant a much more attractive offer.

I think for many, 3600 BB is a huge deal. Perhaps, the difference of making it for a living or not. They are not a bunch of babies for getting upset. They would be similarly upset with a rake hike. We are all at risk for this, and, IMCO, we should all stand up for players' rights on the sites. Our voices of protest might somehow reach the folks at party. Perhaps, they have a grand scheme that involves making us even more money than they already have by setting up such a beautiful ocean of fish (Yes, I still thank party for that and the resulting steady income). I know for certain that party needs a better way to communicate with its FREQUENT players. Prepare us. Show us a grand plan. Let us know how its bottom line will improve.

It seemed as though you were happy that 'less deserving' players would have to bite the bullet. Most of these players are a part of the community set up here for discussion of poker and contribute and/or lurk regularly. It seemed harsh to take such pleasure in their loss of rakeback.

Jimbo · #23 10-09-2005, 03:56 AM

The problem is you guys are just telling a Bad Beat Story. Who wants to listen to a bunch of poker players talking about their bad beat? No one had a contract with Party so you never had a guarantee. In other words you were gambling and winning a lot now you will be gambling and winning less but still winning? How on earth can you expect sympathy?

toxtox · #24 10-09-2005, 03:57 AM

u say we should all stand up for players rights, but there's not "rights" that entitle us to rakeback.

toxtox · #25 10-09-2005, 04:36 AM

the last people i would feel sympathy for are the affiliates. the amount of work they put in is hugely disproportionate to the benefit.

id rather see rakeback done directly through the sites then see these PIMPS getting a share.

#26 10-09-2005, 05:17 AM

Go back to revlis87's cave and have a little circle jerk with him.

Petomane · #27 10-09-2005, 05:28 AM

Good post. However, many of you got rakeback, thanks to 2+2. You met each other right here and signed each other up. You took advantage of a dubious situation, for which I can't fault you - hey, free money.

Since I thought it wrong to make money off someone just for recommending a site, I never got into that. Quite frankly, I never understood it. I'm just happy making money playing an honest game - making money not leaving the house is FANTASTIC. IT'S THE BEST.

Let's all whine when online poker becomes unplayable, or heaven forbid, illegal.

PokerBob · #28 10-09-2005, 05:28 AM

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You're all a bunch of babies. If you are in such need of rakeback to get by then maybe you shouldnt be playing poker for a living.

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wow are you dumb.

toxtox · #29 10-09-2005, 05:31 AM

I suppose you think that people who need rakeback to play poker for a living should be relying on poker then?

If thats the case, then you are dumb.

...but you have more then 6000 posts so you cant be dumb!

PokerBob · #30 10-09-2005, 05:34 AM

i don't want people to take money from me. if that makes me dumb, fine. i do not claim that they are wrong for doing it, i just don't like it.