Guns > abortion clinics

[Beer and Pizza]

Voltron is correct. The clinic is just a building or a suite of offices. The doctors do whatever killing that goes on.

OTOH, what abortion clinic was ever openned without the intention of facilitating killing?

Plenty of guns have been made that were not ever intended to be used to kill people.

So Wacki has a definite point.

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Voltron is correct. The clinic is just a building or a suite of offices. The doctors do whatever killing that goes on.

OTOH, what abortion clinic was ever openned without the intention of facilitating killing?

Plenty of guns have been made that were not ever intended to be used to kill people.

So Wacki has a definite point.

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They were never opened with the intention of killing people.

[DVaut1]

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Voltron is correct. The clinic is just a building or a suite of offices. The doctors do whatever killing that goes on.

OTOH, what abortion clinic was ever openned without the intention of facilitating killing?

Plenty of guns have been made that were not ever intended to be used to kill people.

So Wacki has a definite point.

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The bumper sticker is rather silly, IMO. The whole point of the "guns don't kill people, people kill people" cliche is to convey the notion that it's not our instruments/tools which kill people, but people who kill people.

Similarly, abortion 'clinics' don't kill people, but people kill people. I fail to see Wacki's point, unless he chages his axion to "GUNS REALLY ARE BETTER THAN ABORTION DOCTORS" rather than "GUNS REALLY ARE BETTER THAN ABORTION CLINICS"

So if I were pro-life, I don't particularly hold the building very responsible for the deaths which occur inside of it.

[Beer and Pizza]

The fact remains. You can buy a gun and hope never to use it against someone. (Not to mention guns used solely for sport)

A clinic would be a huge financial failure if they didn't cycle through the killing on a routine basis. They were truly designed and intended for multiple killings.

[DVaut1]

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The fact remains. You can buy a gun and hope never to use it against someone. (Not to mention guns used solely for sport)

A clinic would be a huge financial failure if they didn't cycle through the killing on a routine basis. They were truly designed and intended for multiple killings.

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I don't think this is necessarily true. I believe most abortion clinics serve other purposes - and weren't 'designed and intended' to host abortion clinics, but ended up serving that function after abortion providers bought the building from it's previous owners - or after doctors decided to provide abortions after the construction of the building, etc.

Given the amount of semantics involved, I think the bumper stick fails.

[wacki]

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Given the amount of semantics involved, I think the bumper stick fails.

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Given the amount of semantics involved, the bumper sticker would have to be written by a lawyer and 3 pages long to make you agree with it.

You know damn well what it's trying to say.

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Given the amount of semantics involved, I think the bumper stick fails.

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Given the amount of semantics involved, the bumper sticker would have to be written by a lawyer and 3 pages long to make you agree with it.

You know damn well what it's trying to say.

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Yeah, I do...but as I said, the "guns don't kill people, people don't kill people" cliché is intended to imply to the audience that people should be held responsible for their actions; in other words, don't try to place the blame on non-animate object for the bad things people do with them.

Similarly, an 'abortion clinic' is a relatively neutral place, except for the bad things people do inside of them.

In other words, do pro-lifers care about outlawing abortion clinics, or abortions? The bumper stick (when juxtaposed with the cliché it's a parody of) implies that pro-lifers merely wish to outlaw buildings or structures.

If you find nuance distasteful, I don’t know what to tell you. But it seems to be a rather silly bumper stick, IMO.

It doesn't take a lawyer and 3 pages for me to understand the wisdom of "guns don't kill people, people kill people." I think it's a cliche that's we can still invalidate (in regards to using it to justify an opposition to gun control laws - so in that way, it's still somewhat meaningless, like many cliches), but "Guns don't kill people, abortion clinics kill people" is just ironic, considering the cliche it's derived from.

[wacki]

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If you find nuance distasteful, I don’t know what to tell you. But it seems to be a rather silly bumper stick, IMO.

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No, I find you requiring a bumper sticker to cover all the nuances distasteful. A retard should be able to figure out what it's trying to say.

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It doesn't take a lawyer and 3 pages for me to understand the wisdom of "guns don't kill people, people kill people."

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I've already played your word game and changed my maxim. Get with the program.

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The fact remains. You can buy a gun and hope never to use it against someone. (Not to mention guns used solely for sport)

A clinic would be a huge financial failure if they didn't cycle through the killing on a routine basis. They were truly designed and intended for multiple killings.

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The fact remains that many people feel that what goes on in these clinics should not be defined as killing. However, If you feel that removal of a fetus is killing it or an act of murder then you are correct.

[Beer and Pizza]

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...should not be defined as killing

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Some people think self-defense should not be defined as killing. In fact, I would call it, [i]fulfilling the criminal's desire to attain a Darwin Award. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]