expected winrate @ 5/10 full ring

Maulik · #1 10-06-2005, 03:32 AM

I've just played 5/10 for the past two nights and would like to know what a good win-rate is for these games. They seem very soft...

From casino play to online play there is far more 3-betting rather than cold calling 2.... and playing out of the blinds is difficult, and I'm working on that. so if you have any good links or suggestions, I'd love to hear about that.

#2 10-06-2005, 04:10 AM

I have no idea what winrates are achievable on 5/10 full, but I am very curious what rates other people aim for.
So far I have only played some 15000 hands on 5/10 full at Party (Eurobet), winning 1.5 BB/100, which is only slightly less than I made at 3/6 and 2/4. This is obviously not nearly enough hands to give a precise long term rate though.

I do still make many mistakes and I could work harder at table/seat selection, so I feel confident a much better rate is possible, but I have no idea how much better.

I am really curious what some of the better 2+2 guys playing 5/10 full make on average, if you would care to share it.

Paxosmotic · #3 10-06-2005, 04:12 AM

Aim for 2bb/100 long term, that's an indication you're playing very well. Anything above 1bb is considered acceptable.

heropretend · #4 10-06-2005, 05:19 AM

i won't feel confident until i'm over 2bb/100 over 20k hands.

flair1239 · #5 10-06-2005, 09:11 AM

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i won't feel confident until i'm over 2bb/100 over 20k hands.

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Which would not mean a thing.

I have ran at 2BB/100 for 25,000 hands in this game before. Then I lost 500BB in 8,000 hands.

FWIW, from what I have seen 1.5BB is good. 2BB I would term really good.

somapopper · #6 10-06-2005, 09:13 AM

I hardly ever venture off the BBJ 5/10 tables (I like to gambooool), and when I do these games usually seem like a rock garden to me. Are you finding many tables with a VPIP above 30%? If so, when do you play and how do you deal with the long wait lists for good tables?

Nick Royale · #7 10-06-2005, 09:23 AM

How many tables are you playing? Based on fact that it's recommended to have 300-500BB when moving up to a new limit shouldn't losing 500BB at 5/10 with the right tableselction be quite hard playing your best game? You seem like a good player, have you been running extremely bad or do you think own mistkes have been a significant portion of the loss?

somapopper · #8 10-06-2005, 09:23 AM

I think 2BB over 25k hands you could be resonably sure that you were a winning player. Something like -.5 to +4 BB/100 with a 95% confidence interval (I'm pulling that off the top of my head as I don't have the formula in front of me).

Not to be a dick, but were you saying you weren't a winning player at 5/10? Whatever happened running -6BB/100 over 8k hands is some incredibly bad luck. Have you considered consulting a feng shui expert?

edit: I had originally written -16 rather than -6. -16BB/100 is my own personal goal, just as soon as I make it clear to God that I hate him.

flair1239 · #9 10-06-2005, 09:26 AM

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How many tables are you playing? Based on fact that it's recommended to have 300-500BB when moving up to a new limit shouldn't losing 500BB at 5/10 with the right tableselction be quite hard playing your best game? You seem like a good player, have you been running extremely bad or do you think own mistkes have been a significant portion of the loss?

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That was 60,000 hands ago. I am well past that now.

I was just pointing out that running at 2bb/100 over 25,000 hands does not really mean a whole hell of a lot. You could almost just as easily be a .5BB/100 player as a 2BB/100 player.

Just thought I would throw out a personal example.

Nick Royale · #10 10-06-2005, 09:26 AM

I'm planning to move up to 5/10. I aim for 2.5 BB/100 2-tabling. With great table selection I think that's reasonable, but I'm interessted in opinion from players with experience from 5/10 full.