Limping QQ under the gun

On a paired board facing serious heat? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[BigBiceps]

I never limp UTG with any hand in NL.

I think this play is asking to get yourself trapped for all your chips.

[GrunchCan]

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I never limp UTG with any hand in NL.

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There is no never in poker. You're either trying to steal in bad spots sometimes, or your folding value sometimes. Sometimes open-limping is the right play.

[Hattifnatt]

Ok - ur right, it's not "always wrong" with limping UTG. [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

But I never play full ring.

[BigBiceps]

I see no purpose limping UTG with any hand. (Note, I am playing 25NL at FullTilt against mostly weak tight players)

Please give an example where limping UTG is correct in this type of game.

Suited connectors? Low PP? Am I making sense? Do you see why?

[amoeba]

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Suited connectors? Low PP? Am I making sense? Do you see why?

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no you're not.

istead of saying "Am I making sense? " or "Do you see why?"

why don't you just come out with it?

[GrunchCan]

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I see no purpose limping UTG with any hand. (Note, I am playing 25NL at FullTilt against mostly wtight players)

Please give an example where limping UTG is correct in this type of game.

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There are two sides to this coin.

On the one hand, I feel that some hands can be open-limped from EP. In order for me to open-limp in UTG, I'll need to have a hand that wants to see a flop cheap, could flop huge, I'm very sure I'll get a good multiway pot and therefore great implied odds, my hand isn't crippled by bad position, and I have some confidence that the pot won't be raised PF behind me.

One specific example would be A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] UTG at a table where I am sure that I'll get 5 callers not including the blinds, and I'm sure that nobody will raise PF.

On the other hand, I'm also saying that by "never open-limping" you would raise a hand such as this for the chance that you'll fold everyone & steal the blinds. But the same hand that is good enought to open-limp with might not be strong enough to open-steal with, especially in early position. First of all, in EP at a full ring table, the chances that everyone will fold are very slim. If your raising to 6xBB, you'll need to win the blinds 1.5/6 of the time, or 1:3. I doubt you'll win that often. If your hand is strong enough to handle a call, the problem is mitigated somewhat becasue you'll be able to continue postflop in some cases. However, a hand like A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] isn't such a hand, especially if you get more than one caller.

And just like there is no 'never' in poker, there's also no 'always' in poker. I won't open-limp A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] every time. In fact, it's pretty unusual that I find a table where it will work. But it does happen, and it's improtant to see how & when.

[akishore]

Thanks a lot for all the replies, everyone. This is becoming a very interesting thread and one that will suck up hours of my time this week (LOL).

I am pretty busy these days, so I will try my best to reply to all posts and questions, but give me some time, please. Thanks.

Keep the lively discussion coming, it's fantastic.

Aseem

[akishore]

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please don't use phrases like
"am I making sense? "

or "do you see why?"

its very condescending.

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Ah, sorry if it comes off that way.

I realize the latter phrase is very condescending (Sklansky seems to love it, LOL), but I didn't mean the former with any hint of condescendence.

I simply meant to ask if I was genuinely making sense or being clear. Sometimes I ramble and don't get my point across effectively.

Aseem